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Yes that's correct. Robson is the only name I have for her, whether it's her married or maiden name. I thought she wasn't married when I got her daughter's birth cert with no indication of a father. Then when I got the death cert for Catherine and it states "widow of John Robson" it made me curious??? Minnie and Enid Mary are sisters (think were Spenceley) - so Robson only by marriage to William.

Also, my grandma was definitely May Marion (it's on the headstone of a family grave) although spelt Marian rather than Marion.

There's a lot if info to take in but I appreciate expert help.4

ErikaH ... sorry, you're so right it is Enid Mary :-(

Gwyn in Kent: No just says "son present at death" - he may have lived there? I'd never heard of him before so it was a surprise to me. Thank you!

ErikaH ... The death of Kate Robson, certificate was registered by J A Acton, Occupier of house. Her occupation Housekeeper Domestic. Having looked at it previously, I believed this man could be the father of her child. She died of Typhoid fever and heart failure after confinement.

Beth
I posted a lot of info about MINNIE on page one

William was therefore born 1897-ish (1896 according to 1939 Register) - so probably is indeed William "Pearson" , who was 4 in 1901 and 14 in 1911.

??

ROBSON, WILLIAM -
GRO Reference: 1897 J Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 236

I think that William married Minnie then the same year she died, 1935, he married Minnie's sister Enid Mary. I believe their maiden name was Spencely/Spenceley.

William and ENID are on 1939 - in Hull

They married in OND 1935.......Minnie having died in JFM 1935

There’s a Probate for William Robson - 1958, NOT 1968, with widow ENID
Can’t C&P as I’m now on my iPad

There’s death in Hull in OND 1958 of a William aged 61

I wonder if Enid was his second wife, as I posted earlier a marriage of a William to Minnie

No wonder I couldn’t find a death for EDITH!

Are you sure that the birth for May Marion is the correct one?

Is it possible that you have assumed it was the right one because it was registered in Hull?

I ask, because your grandmother had no middle name shown at either marriage or death.

Who registered the death in 1900?

We know she isn't the woman you're related to, but she could be the one on the censuses..............we need to be sure, if possible, which one that is

If I understood you correctly, you said that the 1925 death cert said that she was the widow of John Robson.

If that's so, her maiden name can't have been Robson - unless she was a Robson who married another Robson.
As May's birth was registered as Robson, with no father mentioned, that confirms that May's mother's maiden name was Robson.

You mention Minnie, William and Edith Mary in the same grave.
Do you know who these people were? Does the inscription give any indication of their relationship to Kate?

To show their ages at death:

Ms Edid Mary Robson
in the England and Wales, Death Index, 1989-2019
Name: Ms Edid Mary Robson
Gender: Female
Age: 95
Birth Date: 1910
Last Residence: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Postal Code District: HU5
Death Date: 19 Dec 2005


Deaths Mar 1935 (>99%)
Robson Minnie 32 Hull 9d 307

As far as I can see, they weren't Kate's daughters.

William didn't die in Hull or Sculcoates districts, in spite of being buried there.
Does the stone give his age?

Thanks everyone! MAY ROBSON was my grandma, my father was JAMES SAMUEL. May's mother Kate Robson was present at his birth in 1916 - it's stated on his birth certificate. So she was alive then and died 1925. I sent for the birth cert for MAY MARION and no father or occupation noted, just crossed out (born 24 May 1894). Also named on this certificate is her mother as KATE ROBSON but recently found headstone in local cemetery that gives her the name CATHERINE ROBSON. On all the certs I have she is always "Kate" but I do know the Catherine on the stone is the correct one because the stone is next to my other relatives and the local Bereavement Services confirmed the address as where my dad was born. I sent for the death certificate of Kate Robson that seemed to match but then on receipt of this she died in 1900 so that' that one ruled out.

FULL info on that birth

ROBSON, KATE HARRISON
GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 189

Marriages Jun 1858 (>99%)
Harrison Mary Jane Hull 9d 291
Robson Michael Hull 9d 291


1871
Frances Street, West, Sculcoates, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding), England
Michael Robson Head - Male 60 1811 - Yorkshire, England
Mary Jane Robson Wife - Female 31 1840 - Yorkshire, England
Fanny Robson Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Yorkshire, England
Kate Robson Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Yorkshire, England
Margrate Robson Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Yorkshire, England
Michel Robson Son - Male 8 1863 - Yorkshire, England
Emley Ann Wilson Sister - Female 38 1833 - Yorkshire, England

1891

Name: Kate Robson
Gender: Female
Age: 30
Relationship: Niece
Birth Year: 1861
Birth Place: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Sculcoates
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Residence Place: Hull, Sculcoates, Yorkshire, England
Registration District: Sculcoates
Sub registration district: West Sculcoates
ED, Institution or Vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3933
Folio: 86
Household Members:
Name Age
James Wilson 54
Emily A Wilson 52
Frances Casey 52
Kate Robson 30
Margaret Robson 27
Mary J Robson 18
Theresa Robson 15
Agnes Robson 13
Emily Robson 12
Mary J Robson 52


BUT...as Kate/Catherine didn't marry, how does anyone know who her father was?

Well, at least the 1900 death is not that of the Kate "Pearson" in the 1911 census.


I think it's very possible that James S Fenton's mother May is May "Pearson" in 1901 and 1911, who reverted to her birth name before her marriage in 1915.

This is the grandson's birth

Name: James S Fenton
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar 1916
Registration District: Sculcoates
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Mother's Maiden Name: Robson
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 431

and his Probate

Name: James Samuel Fenton
Death Date: 7 Apr 1971
Death Place: Kingston Upon Hull
Probate Date: 9 Jul 1971
Probate Registry: Leeds

Can't see any sign of his mother on censuses, although she's on the 1939 register

Kate's a widow in 1911:

Hale Pearson
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Hale Pearson
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Housekeeper
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hull
Civil Parish: Sculcoates
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Stepney Grove Fleet St Stepney Lane Hull
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: Tailoress
Registration District Number: 521
Sub-registration District: East Sculcoates
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 28704
Household Members:
Name Age
William Mapplebeck 59
Hale Pearson 49 [ Kate ]
Magy Pearson 17 [ May ]
Samuel Pearson 16
William Pearson 14

For the sake fo elimination -

this is NOT an earlier marriage for John Pearson .

John Pearson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: John Pearson
Registration Year: 1875
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Sculcoates
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 290
Records on Page:
Name
Mary Emma Hopwood
John Pearson


John Pearson
in the 1881 England Census
Name: John Pearson
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Mary E. Pearson
Gender: Male
Where born: Hunmanby, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Drypool
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 4 East St
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Gen Lab
Registration District: Sculcoates
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Piece: 4753
Folio: 17
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
John Pearson 27
Mary E. Pearson 25
Robert G. Hepworth 7
John R. Pearson 4
Samuel H. Pearson 3

That John died in 1882, and Mary Emma is a widow in 1891 census.: