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If anyone else has been looking for the marriage of William Love born in Smarden or Headcorn C1853/54 and died in Gisborne NZ in 1924, he married Julia Elizabeth Pinyon on 20th February 1884 in Brighton, Sussex.

Thank you VERY MUCH Wendy for your help!
Best wishes, Jennifer

There is a tree on Ancestry with loads of info on this family including. Photo oh Elizabeth Hopper and two of her son Charles Homewood. Chales seems to have changed his name slightly to Harper. Is marriage cert is attached to the tree. Everything fits parents, MMN, dates occupation but all as Harper

Tree also says that Elizabeth had another child Leonard in 1893 (very imaginative name as he was born in St Leonard's, Hastings) wonder when Elizabeth left William Loves home and if he was the father.


Births Sep 1893 (>99%)
Hopper Leonard Hastings 2b 49

In 1901 this child was boarding with a widow and her daughter surname Adams they also had two babies with different names as boarders. Leonard was still with them in 1911. I think he married Rose Clark I 1919

Possible deaths in New Zealand


1936/19934 Hopper Elizabeth 82Y Order Product
1936/23331 Hopper William 53Y Order Product
1936/23338 Hopper Elizabeth 83Y Order Product
1955/30727 Hopper Thomas Edward 75Y Order Product

Harriet Hannah Hopper married in NZ in 1911 but you have to buy the cert online to find out where and when exactly but it does give the grooms name


1911/1014 Harriet Hannah Hopper Charles Herbert Gardham Order Product

So they all went to New Zealand in the end :-D

Thomas and William went to Australia first and must have gone from ther to NZ

I don't think that William Love ever married between 1881 and 1891 if ever at all, perhaps he put married as he was living with Elizabeth Hopper.

Why I wonder did Elizabeth seem to abandon all her children who would all have been very young when their father died.

What an interesting thread. Can we find bmd for New Zealand?

Probate for Charles Homewood Hopper

Will of CHH late of Perchill, Burwash Sussex, farmer, who died 07/10/1884 at Perchill proved at Lewis by Elizabeth Hopper, widow, and the sole relic and executive. Personal Estate £635. 7s. 5d

1914-1918 soldiers
Private Thomas Edward Hopper number 37096, shepherd,next of kin Mrs Elizabeth Hopper (mother) 96 Rutene Road, Kaiti,Gisborne.

Note Gisbourne is in the North East of New Zealand
So Thomas was living there.

This is new
Private William Hopper number 57360, Station Manager, next of kin Mrs Elizabeth Hopper (mother)96 Rutene Road, Kaiti, Gisbourne

So they were brothers and went out together to AUSTRALIA


Name: Thos Edd Hopper
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1878
Departure Date: 9 Nov 1900
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Ortona
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Ortona' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Master: Lindsay Hay

Name: William Hopper
Gender: Male
Age: 17
Birth Date: abt 1883
Departure Date: 9 Nov 1900
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Ortona
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Ortona' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Master: Lindsay Hay


Williams birth


Name: HOPPER, WilliamRegistration district: [?] Ticehurst County: SussexYear of registration: 1883Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3Volume no:[?]2BPage no:[?]106

I'm pretty sure that Elizabeth 1854, Harriet Hannah 1878 and Emily Grace Hopper 1880 went out to New Zealand. Possibly they stayed there.

I thought that perhaps Elizabeth had died as Harriet was in the London Orphans Asylum in 1891. In 1901 she was a servant in Battle Sussex. Close to were she was born.

Emily in 1891 was in Reedham Asylum for Fatherless Children, Coulsdon, Surrey and in 1901 she was a nursemaid in Hastings Sussex. Also there was William Hopper 1893, her brother?


Name: Miss H Hopper
Gender: Female
Age: 27
Birth Date: abt 1878
Departure Date: 1 Nov 1905
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Wellington, New Zealand
Ship Name: Tongariro
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Tongariro' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: The New Zealand Shipping Company, Limited
Master: J A Sutcliffe

Travelling with her were Mrs Elizabeth Hopper aged 51 and Miss E G Hopper aged 25. I think Thomas Edward went out in 1954 to visit when he was 76 I found him coming back again.

Elizabeth in 1901 was a widow living alone on her own means

Name: Elizabeth Hopper
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854

Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Robertsbridge, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Ewhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Ewhurst
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Battle
Sub-registration District: Battle
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 79
Piece: 877
Folio: 24
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Hopper 47
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Record

The problem with Thomas Edward is I have him coming back from NZ before he went out!!

Outgoing
Name: Mr Thomas E Hopper
Gender: Male
Age: 76
Birth Date: abt 1878
Departure Date: 19 Mar 1954
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Wellington, New Zealand
Ship Name: R M S Rangitoto
Search Ship Database: Search the 'R M S Rangitoto' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: New Zealand Shipping Company Limited
Official Number: 183069
Master: C R Pilcher

Incoming

Name: Thomas E Hopper
Birth Date: abt 1878
Age: 75
Port of Departure: Wellington, New Zealand
Arrival Date: 12 Jun 1953
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ship Name: Rangitane
Search Ship Database: View the 'Rangitane' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: New Zealand Shipping Company Ltd
Official Number: 18315

Both of the above sailing state he was a farmer and have reference to an address both are care of people in Sussex, one in Robertsbridge and one in nearby Battle.

There is also a coming in in 1938 going out in 1939,

Perhaps he is living in New Zealand and making visits back hom to Sussex that would make sense of the dates being the wrong way round.

*****EDIT****
See thread posted at 13.54 which proved he went out to AUSTRALIA in 1900

Wendy

Thank you Patchem!!! That's great.

Mary Ann Kennard is from Waldron Sussex and is living with her family/servant in Brighton in 1851, 1861, 1871 censuses.

And probably has children Mary, Jane and Daisy in 1891(living Hackney, married, no husband present) and 1901(living Brighton, widowed).

William Love
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1855
Age: 23
Father's Name: William Love
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Kennard
Spouse's Age: 29
Spouse's Father's Name: John Kennard
Marriage Date: 19 Mar 1878
Marriage Place: Brighton, Sussex, England

So no good unless he is keeping the marriage quiet.

I am still looking for William Love's wife and hope that someone will help please by clicking on a link and telling me what it says.

Because free census look ups on Ancestry are available this weekend, I searched one more time on William Love - born in Smarden in 1855 - and I noticed that there are links on the left hand side that Ancestry believes are connected to the person searched on.

Could someone please search for William Love on the 1881 Census (see details below) and then click on the marriage index link on the left hand side of the screen and tell me who the woman is that my William Love married?

These are the details for my William Love in 1881:


William Love
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: William Love
Mother: Elizabeth Love
Gender: Male
Where born: Smarden, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Rolvenden
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: Corn Hill
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Farmers Son
Registration District: Tenterden
Sub-registration District: Rolvenden
ED, institution, or vessel: 7

Thanks a lot, Jennifer

Thanks Shirley for confirming that William's wife is not Maria Seath. But the 1891 census still doesn't help me confirm who he did marry because in the 1891 census, William Love is in Kingstone, Kent, but his wife is not at home. William Love just has Elizabeth and Charles Hopper staying with him. These two are my grandfather and my g-grandmother.

the 1888 one has only one bride
Name: William Love
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1888
Registration district: Eastry
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 1117
Maria Jane Seath (the transcriber had problems with the spelling)

Name: William Love
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria Love
Gender: Male
Where born: Mereworth, Kent, England
Civil parish: Brenchley
Ecclesiastical parish: Brenchley All Saints
Town: Brenchley
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Tunbridge
Sub-registration district: Brenchley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 683
Folio: 18
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
William Love 50
Maria Love 40
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Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 683; Folio: 18; Page: 5; GSU roll: 6095793.

Have you looked for each of them on the 1891 census If there are brides with different christian names then you should be able to match up who married who.

Sorry, must have made a mistake with the Martha. Does anyone know who the William Love married in these three marriage entries:

Marriages Mar 1882
Love William Tunbridge 2a 717

Marriages Dec 1882
Love William Tunbridge 2a 1057

Marriages Mar 1888
Love William Eastry 2a 1117

As far as I can see, none of those three marriage records mention a Martha :-S

Are any of this lot yours?
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~staplehurst/Love_family.htm

I came upon them some time ago because one of the Loves got an ancestor of mine pregnant!

:-)

If anyone else is looking for William Love, I have a copy of his will that I can email you. Unfortunately it doesn't mention who he married in the 1880s though.