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Thanks MadBull, we already have birth refs for Kathleen and Evelyn (on page 1 of thread), sorry I should have mentioned that again. Evelyn registered as Smith mmn Smith not Veacy but was Veacy Atkins when they travelled to Canada in 1920.

Thanks again

Kathleen Rose Naomi's birth?

Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
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VEACY Kathleen R N Smith Hampstead 1a 1079

NEW INFO

I definitely now think that Mary Jane Veacy who married James Edward Owen Atkins in 1918 is my relative, the elusive Aunty Mary who went to Canada.
I bit the bullet, forked out my £9.25 and bought the marriage certificate:

St Nicholas Church, Brighton
3rd April 1918
James Edward Owen Atkins, 31, bachelor, occupation C.S.M. 6th Canadian Reserve, residence South Camp, Seaford, Sussex, father Albert Edward Owen Atkins, gas fitter
Mary Jane Veacy, 26, widow, residence 27 Victoria Street, father Thomas Smith, farmer
witnesses Alice King and Cecil Adrian Giaoux (? spelling), they could be "professional witnesses" for that particular church, or possibly friends/relatives although they are not names I have come across in this branch of the family

NEW QUERIES:

can anyone find a marriage between a Mary Jane Smith and a Veacy, I can't for the life of me, nor a death for a VEACY that looks likely, I guess she may have had illegitimate children and made up a "dead husband" to look more respectable

can anyone with access to any Canadian records (e.g. newspaper archives etc) find any trace of them after Mary Jane Atkins went to Canada in 1920 with children Ruth and Kathleen? I think the 1921 Canadian census is going to be released in 2013 but not sure I can wait that long

I'd really like to find out what happened to the family.

Thank you in advance, Helen

mgnv, that could be him I guess, it gives month of birth as Oct 1886, and his birth reg on freebmd is Dec qu 1886, so that would fit, can't find a Bawne Atkins marriage on freebmd, so unless related on his maternal side, it might not fit, I'm really more interested in what happened post 1920 to James and Mary Jane, thanks, Helen

1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Ontario / Ottawa / 18 Central ward / page 15
43 156 Bawne Frederick M Head M Apr 1864 42
44 156 Bawne Edith F. F Wife M Jun 1881 30
45 156 Bawne Edith Levi (?) F Daughter S Mar 1905 6
46 156 Atkins James A. M Nephew S Oct 1886 24

I suppose James A might be James O - you decide

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002008891.pdf

He immig in 1910, same as the rest of this family.

NEW REQUEST

I am now pretty sure that Mary Jane ATKINS who is on the passenger list is my relative, nee SMITH, born 1891 in Towersey, Bucks (now Oxon).

It appears her husband was James (possible middle initials E O) ATKINS, born probably Brighton, but has also been listed as born Ontario, Canada.

It also appears she was previously married to a VEACY although I haven't tracked this marriage down (probably quite prone to mistranscription).

I would now like to try to trace what happened to James ATKINS and Mary Jane nee SMITH in Canada.

Please could anyone with access to the records look up any births to this couple, probably in Ontario, post 1920, and any possible death registrations, we believe that Mary Jane was still alive in ca. 1960 at least.

Also any official info about the two children who travelled with her to Canada, Kathleen and Ruth VEACY (may have changed name to ATKINS).

I have contacted the Ancestry tree holders mentioned in earlier posts, but as yet no reply.

I appreciate some of these records may not be available.

Many thanks

Helen

There's a tree on Ancestry that has James Edward Owen Atkins born 1886, Paddington but it's a private tree. You have to contact the owner.
Just a thought, though, the guy on the attestation papers says he was born Brighton.

thanks Margaret

Canadian attestation papers for WW1 are free here:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/index-e.html

He's the 3rd one down. He enlisted 7 Nov. 1914. His birthdate 27 Oct. 1886.

Margaret, that certainly looks possible, I'll have a dig around in the bmds and the census records and see if I can track him down in Brighton, do you know the date when he enlisted? Thanks, Helen

No matching bmds in any part of Sussex, but I widened the search and there is this one in Paddington with same initials?

Births Dec 1886 (>99%)
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Atkins James Edward O Paddington 1a 48


possible match for Mrs L Atkins, Brighton on 1911 census, but no James:

posible match for Mrs L Atkins on 1911 census at 25 Osborne Road, Brighton:
ATKINS, Albert Edward Owen Head Married M 46 1865 Auctioneer's Packer London Padington
ATKINS, Lydia Mary Wife Married 25 years F 43 1868 London St Georges RD
ATKINS, Dora May Daughter Single F 20 1891 Furriers Window Dresser London Paddington
ATKINS, Gertrude Mary Daughter Single F 17 1894 Milliner London Paddington
DEIGHTON, Lillie Adelaide Ann Daughter Married F 22 1889 London Paddington
DEIGHTON, Herbert Stanley Grandson M 1 1910 Sussex Brighton

interesting that Paddington crops up again and that father's middle initials are E O

marriage for them in Paddington, 2 quarters before James's birth:
Marriages Jun 1886 (>99%)
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ATKINS Albert Edward O Paddington 1a 73
READE Lydia Mary F Paddington 1a 73


found Albert and Lydia now on 1901 census and James is with them:
Albert E Atkins 36
Lydia M F Atkins 32
James E O Atkins 14
Lellie A A Atkins 12
Dora M Atkins 10
Gertrude M Atkins 7

Class: RG13; Piece: 44; Folio: 100; Page: 32.

in Hammersmith


don't you just love mistranscriptions, found them now in 1891, Albert is Arsen! and looks like James is Owen, presumably his middle name, so presume he is James Edward Owen Atkins in full:
Arsen Atkins 26
Lydia Atkins 22
Owen Atkins 4
Adelaide Atkins 2
Dora Atkins 2/12

Class: RG12; Piece: 8; Folio 94; Page 40; GSU roll: 6095118.

Helen, I wonder if the James Atkins that she married was also an Engilshman? There's a James Atkins who enlisted in Kingston, Ontario but he was born Brighton, Sussex, England. Next-of-kin was his mother Mrs L. Atkins, Mount Place?, Brighton, England.
They were married in Brighton, weren't they?

thanks Lorraine

according to a tree on ancestry ( not accurate i know but could hold clues) ruth evelyn veacy married a leonard wesley keyes in ontario in 1950

it also say ruth was born in ontario which is wrong.

this shows ruth with sister kathleen entering canada accompanied by their mother gives her age as 8yrs

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
about Ruth Evelyn Veacy
Name: Ruth Evelyn Veacy
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1912
Age: 8
Date of Arrival: 24 Feb 1920
Port of Arrival: Saint John, New Brunswick
Ship Name: Grampian

I've also looked for a death for a Veacy on CWGC in case he was a casulaty and a divorce in series J77 on Nat Archives, but no luck with either

family stories have another daughter called Uneeta or Unita, I guess she would have been born in Canada in the 1920s but these records are still sealed I think under the 100 years rule

Margaret, I don't know if you have any access to any other records that might shed some more light on the family

I know that Aunty Mary (we assume Mary J Atkins, nee Smith) came over to the UK in the early 1960s as my husband remembers meeting her

don't worry if not, at least the passenger list gives me a surname to go on ...

thanks

Helen

You're right, losing my touch. Guess I was more interested in beating you to it!

I see their destination in 1920 was Kingston, Ontario, a couple of hours drive from where I live.

Margaret, you must be losing your touch! :-), you've given me Kathleen twice, I still can't find Ruth, unless she was illegitimate i.e. Smith, there is a Ruth E L Smith mother's maiden name Smith in Chelsea District Mar qu 1912, or Mary was married before the marriage to Veacy ...

Can't find first marriage though or death of a Veacy.

Did I beat you to this one , too?

Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
VEACY Kathleen R N Smith Hampstead 1a 1079

Sorry, can't resist!

Margaret, you beat me to it!