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There is this one as well. Maybe she married again

Catherine A Stead
Spouse Surname: James
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1935
Registration district: Bedwellty
Registration county (inferred): Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 246

Maybe send for that marriage and hope it comes up with her being aged about 45 a widow and her fathers name Mr Lewis?
Which would make it pretty well on the way to being the correct Catherine I would have thought.
Unless she lied on it of course....

But at some point you will have to send for some certs just to rule them out if nothing else...

I have a document folder of dud ones(Surname Wood in London is hard too),as I know do quite a few others on here.

Took me 7 tries to find my G Grandads correct death cert..!

thomas henry death
03june1955 fairmile hospital cholsey
male 69 years
shop keeper
and that is all i have

just dug out the birth certificate, it reads
21oct1923 44 alma street abertillery
pauline jane
father thomas henry jones baker (master)
mother catherine jones late reardon formerly lewis
informant c jones 44 alma street

well fingers crossed i have contacted about 5 riordan trees, thanks for the advice, dave

well yes that is interesting, correct area, name, could point to thomas and her not being wed

I find this marriage interesting
Is it after Thomas and Catherine would have seperated?.

Name: Catherine A Riordan
Spouse Surname: Stead<<<<<<<<<John
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1929
Registration district: Bedwellty
Registration county (inferred): Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 139


I dont see a death for her in Wales or any death of that name to suit an 1884 birth though

But neither is there a birth for that name that I can find.

On "search Trees" on here there is a person called Kelly with a Elizabeth Riordan born Glamorgan 1902.

It may be worth sending her a message to see if she knows anything about Catherine Ann Lewis/Riordan?


Elizabeth Rebecca Riordan is also on a couple of trees on Ancestry and have the parents as John James Riordan and Catherine Ann Lewis.

The 1911 entry of Tylor John Riordan should read Tudor John Riordan.
He was born 1904 and married in1929.
All in Pontypridd district.

I really am struggling to find anything at all for you Dave.

thomas never re-married,
he died wallingford 03/06/1955 as a resident of fairmile hospital
i am greatfull of any help and will gladly answer all you questions
dave

David.
Can you say when and where Thomas Jones died?

I ask a lot of questions I know,but if I dont ask I cant find out if you know the answers or not and every scrap of info helps to make a picture to try and be able to help.

I dont think your mothers parents married Legally but lived together and Catherine just took his name to look respectable.

Did Thomas Jones "remarry"at all?

word of mouth but unconfirmed i was told that catherine was a bit older than thomas, after the birth of my mother they split and catherine stayed in wales, thomas and my mother moved to i think southsea/portsmouth area then to wargrave/crazies hill in berkshire but i have no other detail
dave

1911

JONES, Thomas Henry Head Married M 24 1887 Coal Miner Hewer Beaufort Breconshire
JONES, Beatrice Maud Wife Married F 24 1887 Abersychan
ROGERS, David Hainbury Brother In Law Boarder Single M 28 1883 Coal Miner Hewer Monmouthshire

Registration District:
Bedwellty Sub District:
Aberystruth Enumeration District:
22 Parish:
Abertillery

Address:
Alexandra Buildings Alexandra Road Six Bells Abertillery County:
Monmouthshire

Might he have been a miner before he was a confectioner.
Its just that this man is born same place as Catherine Ann Lewis /Riordan.


Edit...
But prob not him as that couple went on to have children until 1920 and I believe Beatrice Maud Jones may have died in 1973..

There do not seem to be any more births to that couple after the last one on the 1911 census.

The only other birth of Riordan/Lewis is this one


Births Sep 1920
Riordan Richard J Lewis Merthyr T. 11a 1749

And I would say this is his parents marriages.

Marriages Sep 1919
Lewis Rachel Riordan Merthyr T. 11a 2044
Riordan Daniel G Lewis Merthyr T. 11a 2044


I have checked Alma street number on 1911,none of those names there.

Sorry duplicated

i thought we might get away with baby thomas 1911, oh dear another blank !!

Maiden names of mothers were not included in the indexs until late 1911 and onward I am afraid,so its not possible to do that..

I had this up from earlier today but got called away and have only just got back.

1911

RIORDAN, John James Head Married M 37 1874 Colliery Haulier Below Ground London Bishopsgate
RIORDAN, Catherine Ann Wife Married
10 years F 26 1885 Monmouth Beaufort
RIORDAN, Elizabeth Rebecca Daughter F 8 1903 Glamorgan Tylorstown
RIORDAN, Tylor John Son M 6 1905 Glamorgan Tonypandy
RIORDAN, Joseph James Son M 3 1908 Glamorgan Tonypandy

Registration District:
Pontypridd Sub District:
Llanwonno Enumeration District:
30 Parish:
Llanwonno

Address:
30 Penrhiwceiber Road Penrhiwceiber County:
Glamorganshire


Do you know what sort of year Catherine was born please?


I have been unable to find a death of John James Riordan in the indexs before 1923,nor on WW1 deaths.

So maybe if this is Catherine he didnt die but they just parted,so Catherine was unable to marry Thomas?

true but i am not sure, he died in fairmile hospital in 1955 aged 68 but on the records from the hospital there were several dates of birth so not sure ?

Thank you David you have answered my next question which was when was he born according to his death certificate.
I don't think the above will be him as there is too much discrepancy in his age.

i have from thomas death certificate that he was born 1887 so that is not that far away so real possible will have to do some more digging, thanks, could you look at the birth of the children and see if there is a maiden name for mother ?
thank you

Possible 1911 for Thomas


JONES, Thomas Head Married M 31 1880 Confectioner Brynboch Glamorgan VIEW
JONES, Annie Wife Married
12 years F 30 1881 Brynboch Glamorgan VIEW
JONES, Hilda Daughter F 4 1907 Brynboch Glamorgan VIEW
JONES, Thomas Son M 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Neath Glamorgan VIEW

Registration District:
Neath Sub District:
Neath Enumeration District:
16 Parish:
Neath (Parish and Town)

Address:
21 Bridge St Neath County:
Glamorganshire