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we didn't get as much as London but we got enought. My one daughter lives in Tillsonburg and her husband has not used the snow blower. He said it was light snow and not much. Chat in the new year.

Did I know you're in Ontario??

I'm in a part that actually has not had any snow to speak of!

I am looking forward to finding out where she went and if her and family are in my province, Ontario.
Will chat after Christmas.
Take care and have a happy, healthy Christmas and 2011.
Thank you for all the help.
Fran

Okay, so the 1861 census (which we're taking it is your family) says

William Turner 29 (born Scotland) -- Miner
Ann Turner 24
Isabella Turner 4 - born Benfieldside
William Turner 10 MO

I don't know the geography and Benfieldside doesn't seem to exist, but there is a Benfieldside Rd in Consett now.


And the marriage certificate says

- father William Turner a miner.

So it does indeed look like a match.


She shoots, she scores, again! ;)


And happy holidays to you and all of Isabella's family!

On the GRO reference information it does say 1875.

Hi Janey.
I recived the marriage certificate today and Isabella Turner did marry
Robert Lammonby, he was full age,batchler, joiner,Newcastle-on-tyne and father Robert Lammonby a builder. She was 19,single, born Consett, father William Turner a miner. I cannot make out the date except May 18??. They were married after bannes in the Parish Church in the parish of Consett.

I am glad it came in as I was wondering why it took so long. Here is the information anyway.

hopefull it will be in before Christmas. Hope you and yours have a merry Christmas and a healthy, happy 2011.

Memory refreshed now, will be waiting for it.

Except ... getting close to the holidays, so there may not be an immediate response (from me, anyhow!), but just give the thread a poke after Christmas if nothing's happened by then.

Hi Janey.
I sent for the certificate and thought it would be in today but it isn't. Now it won't be in until sometime next week. I won't email you now until it comes in. I didn't want you to think I hadn't sent for it.
Fran

I will post it on here. Even my dr. says I am a strong person. Thanks again. Fran

Ooh, painful falls on porcelain. Hope the bruises are subsiding.

Just post it up here once you have those marraige details!

Hi Janey. Sorry tto be off here so long. I enjoyed the trip to Edmonton and Chilliwack but tired. I fell in the bathtub a couple weeks ago and nothing serious except painful. I have sent for the application and it should be here next week. I will get it off with a bank draft and give you an email as soon I get the certificate. Thank you so much for all the help. Fran

It isn't *that* late here in central Canada. ;) But it is 10:30, so I should be getting home for supper!

Be sure to report back when you get the certificate, and fingers crossed.

I was surprised to see your answer so soon and so late.thank you. I will do that tomorrow. Fran

Frances, it doesn't tell you the wife. You have to order the certificate to learn that.

See the list I posted? Did you not believe it? You would get the same list if you searched for Isabella Turner in the same place and year.

Those are the four people who appear on the same page. Two couples. No indication of which bride married which groom.

You get that list by clicking on the page number beside the person's name.

It says at the bottom of your search results:

"Found one partner in a marriage but now looking for the spouse?
Click here for more information."

And then it says:

"From 1912 onwards the marriage entries in the index give the surname of the spouse. Prior to that the surname of the spouse is not in the indexes and FreeBMD has no access to the records that contain this information. So, if you have found the entry for one partner of a marriage prior to 1912 there are two ways in which you can find information about the spouse:
* Obtain a marriage certificate from the GRO - see here for how to do that
* Search FreeBMD for potential spouses by looking for people on the same page of the register (see below)"

and so on.

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/marriage-help.html


However, I *did* go on to test who married whom, by looking for a George Mullen married to either an Isabella or a Margaret, in that area, in 1881.

I posted that information too.

I found a George and Margaret Mullens couple (allow for spelling mistakes ...) with a five-year-old child, that is, just the right age to be a child born after an 1875 marriage. I didn't find a George Mullen married to an Isabella, or a Robert Lammonby married to a Margaret.

But ***you need the marriage certificate*** to see what it says. You order it in Isabella Turner's name *only*, to see whom she married, and whether she seems to be your Isabella Turner.

Hi Janey. I did go on freebdm and only found Robert Lammonby married June 1875, Lancaster. volume 10a page 512 but I didn't find a wife.

Frances, are you talking about paying to look for the marriage here at GR??

Absolutely not!

I gave you the link for FreeBMD right at the very beginning.

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

It's what it says: Free!


In any event, I *gave* you that possible marriage:

Marriages Jun 1875
LAMMONBY Robert Lanchester 10a 512
Mullen George Lanchester 10a 512
Tindale Margaret Ann Lanchester 10a 512
Tindall Margaret Ann Lanchester 10a 512
> Turner Isabella Lanchester 10a 512

All you can do is order the certificate (to check age, father's name and occupation ...) and cross your fingers.

Just in case you were thinking of paying some scam price for the certificate ;) -- you do it here:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

I went on some sites looking for marriages of both Robert Lammonby and Isabella Turner to each other and with someone else and got nowhere. Her name and her dad's are so common. My daughter and I are going to visit relatives that we haven't seen for years. We are leaving on Oct 4 and visiting relatives for 10 days. I will not be on for a few days before and after I get home.
Would I be better to buy credits and look for the marriage and then buy the certificate? I did buy a certificate a few years ago and it was the wrong one, not for Isabella.
Thank you for all the help and work you have done for me.
Fran

Well, I think my best advice is to order the marriage certificate for this Isabella:

Marriages Jun 1875
LAMMONBY Robert Lanchester 10a 512
Mullen George Lanchester 10a 512
Tindale Margaret Ann Lanchester 10a 512
Tindall Margaret Ann Lanchester 10a 512
> Turner Isabella Lanchester 10a 512

It's the only way to find out whether that is your Isabella or not, and if so, whom she married.

It could be that she travelled to the US with her husband, under his surname.


It looks like George married Margaret:

1881

Name: George Mullens
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret Mullens
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Conside and Knitsley
County/Island: Durham
Registration district: Lanchester

with eldest child aged 5.


And I would say this is Robert 1881:

Name: Robert Lammonby
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Cousin
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle On Tyne
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Joiner
Civil parish: Iveston
County/Island: Durham

or

Name: Robert S. Lammonby
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Visitor
Where born: Walbottle, Northumberland, England
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Iron Works Lab
Civil parish: Iveston
County/Island: Durham


and possibly wife Isabella?

Name: Isabella Lammonsby
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Servant
Where born: Durham, England
Condition as to marriage: Unmarried
Civil parish: Bishopwearmouth
County/Island: Durham


No trace of them in 1901 or 1911 that I can find.


The Robert who is a joiner seems to be Robert Lamonby in Northumberland All Saints in 1891, a boarder, dob c1852, marked as single.


That's my best guess. If that is your Isabella marrying Robert Lammonby and she or they emigrated with her family or at least before 1890, they won't be findable at FindMyPast (I tried).

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action

I'm having no luck finding birth or death that is a good match for Robert Lammonby (or Lamonby) or matching him to family before 1875, and there isn't much point in sweating over it unless he did in fact marry your Isabella Turner.

So I'd be getting that certificate because it is the only way to know, and you need to know.

Hi to all helpers:
I have a copy of the 1861 census for Iveston. Durham.
William Turner, head 29 Miner b. Scotland
Ann wife, 24 b. Alston
Isabella dau. 4 b. Durham, Benfieldside

1871 census Iveston, Durham
Willam Turner Head, 39 Coal miner, b. Scotland
Anne wife 33 b. Alston
Isabella dau. 14 scholar, b. Blackhill, Durham
William son 10 b. Leadgate
Elizabeth Ann dau. 8 b. Blackhill
Sarah Alice dau. 6 b. Blackhill
William S. Gardyme boarder 29 labourer, b. Dundee, Scotland

1881 census Ebchester, Durham
William Turner head 49 Coal miner b. Scotland
Anne wife 43 b. Alston
Jonathan son 9 b. Bendfieldside
Kate dau. 6 .Bosett, Durham
Cornelius son, 3, b. Consett, Durham
Francis son, 1 b.Consett, Durham

I looked in a book that my cousin had published and William took Cornelius who was 9 years old to the U.S.A. to check out for work before bringing the rest of the family there. With Cornelius being 9 years old it must have been 1886. I don't know the year that they actually moved there. William and Cornelius stayed with his son William (Billy) and his wife Isabel.
I hope this helps. Thank you for all the work you are doing. Fran