Find Ancestors

He was a retired general labourer

What was the stated occupation of the Walter Carver who died in 1944?

the Records Office has moved to Leckwith apparently

Thanks for that Ann
Mrs Cope doesn't mean anything to me,
I will try to go to the Glamorgan records office to see if they have electoral registers for 1939 or 1945

from 1970 Kellys directory

30 on Cowbridge Road East is right next door to the hospital - it's William Treseders Nursery - plants that is

on Cowbridge Road West lives a Mrs Cope

Hello Ann,
Yes, I do
on the death cert all it says is:
30a Cowbridge Road, Cardiff

Cowbridge Road East on which St David's Hospital is situated is primarily all businesses and shops whilst Cowbridge Road West is primarily domestic properties

Do you have the number of the house?

Thank you all for your help,
I have so many hand written notes, It will take me some time to up load it all.

Facts:
My G. Grandmother - Ada Giles DOB 1874 in Cardiff,
Her Father - Charles Giles DOB 1834 in Gillingham
Her Mother - Elizabeth Barber DOB 1850 in Broom, Somerset

Ada Giles married Thomas Walter Carver 1/12/1906.
Ada is listed as 31 years - spinster - living at Comet Street, Cardiff - Father Charles Giles – occupation - Coal Trimmer.
Thomas Walter Carver listed as 33 years - living at Comet Street, Cardiff - occupation Marriner - Father Robert Carver (deceased) – occupation – Architect.
The witnesses were Charles Giles and Kate Giles

Ada had 3 children - Queenie, before she was married then Doris, my grandma and then Clifford.

I have all the info relating to Ada and the children but I can not find any info on Thomas Walter which is why I wondered if he didn't use the Thomas bit.

What my mum has said:
Her grandfather was always known as "Walter" and we didn't know that he was a Thomas until I got the Marriage cert. Doris (my grandma) always said that Ada told her that her grand father was an architect from Liverpool. Walter was a mariner and went to see. One day he came home from sea, there was a row and Doris and Cliff ended up in a children's home. This was after the 1911 census


This is where it all started from:

This is the only Robert Carver I have been able to find as an architect – (which Astra kindly pointed me towards) who also had a son called Walter, but I do understand what you say about the dates.

On the 1881 census there is a :
Robert Carver 57 born Cumberland, Dissington and listed as living in Liverpool as an architect,
Rebecca Carver 52 born Wales
Ada 15 Daughter Born Wales
Amy 13 Daughter Born Wales
Ernest Parry 3 Grand son Born Wales
Norah Parry 1 Grand Daughter Born Wales

Tracing back to 1871 (this is one of the ones you came up with)
There is a Walter on here.

Name: Robert Carver
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Rebecca Carver
Gender: Male
Where born: Distington Hondon, Cumberland, England
Civil parish: Leighton
Ecclesiastical parish: Leighton in Trelystan
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Forden
Sub-registration district: Welshpool
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Carver 47 Occ: Superintendent of Works
Rebecca Carver 42
Elorfield Carver 12
Louisa Carver 11
Frederick Carver 9
Clara Carver 6
Ada Carver 5
Amy Carver 3
Walter Carver 9 Months - I have this birth cert which puts him as born 11/06/1870
mothers former name Rebecca Reese
Margaret Macdonald 21
Jane Kinsey 35

I have found this family and marriages that tie in with the children on
1861 census, 1871 census, 1881 census, 1891 census, 1901 census and 1911
between Leighton, Montgomeryshire, Liverpool and Westminster
but what I can't find is Thomas Walter Carver


There are 2 Cowbridge Roads in Cardiff - East and West – as P Wilford is listed as “Occupier” on the death cert, it may be the other road, not the one which is St David's hosp.
On this death cert Walter is listed as 73 in April 1944 which would make him born 1870/1
This would tie in with the birth cert but again not tie in with marriage cert.

Maybe I have gone totally up the wrong tree but listening to “family legends” makes it quite hard.

I do thank you for all your help.

Please be for you go searching for anything and taking up your time., ask me the questions as I may still have more answers that would make sense to someone else, I think I may be going round in circles.

Thanks again
Caroline
xx

Fleshing out the bones of 1911

1911 census - household transcription
Person: CARVER, Ada
Address: 33 Manor St Cardiff

Cost:
You will be charged 10 credits for a transcript and 30 credits for an image, unless you have purchased a subscription for this set of records.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CARVER, Ada Head Married F 37 1874 Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
CARVER, Queenie Daughter F 4 1907 Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW
CARVER, Doris Daughter F 3 1908 Glamorgan Seughuydd VIEW
CARVER, Clifford Son M 1 1910 Glamorgan Cardiff VIEW

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
32100 Reference:
RG14PN32100 RG78PN1846 RD588 SD3 ED1 SN26

Registration District:
Cardiff Sub District:
Central Cardiff Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Cardiff

Address:
33 Manor St Cardiff County:
Glamorganshire


Caroline

Can I ask if you have read all the info posted for you........particularly that which relates to the address at which Walter Carver died...........

It may prove helpful to know the names of the witnesses to the marriage of Thomas and Ada....................

If this is Ada in 1911, her husband doesn't appear to be with her.

From a free search.


HOUSEHOLD CARVER ADA F 1874 37 Cardiff Glamorganshire
HOUSEHOLD CARVER CLIFFORD M 1910 1 Cardiff Glamorganshire
HOUSEHOLD CARVER DORIS F 1908 3 Cardiff Glamorganshire
HOUSEHOLD CARVER QUEENIE F 1907 4 Cardiff Glamorganshire

Christine

there are two Carvers in the present Cardiff telephone directory - if you would like details let me know

The point I find hard to grasp is why you would think that the birth cert dated 1870 for Walter refers to the man who married as Thomas Walter, and whose age would mean that he wasn't born until 1873.

Bear in mind that 'deceased' fathers on marriage certs were sometimes invented.

Also, that there were no penalties until 1875 for not registering births

If the marriage is definitely your relation, I would have thought you'd be looking for Thomas Carver.............

Perhaps you'd tell us what you know of the line you are researching............it might help us to understand the basis for your assertions .

Who was your grandmother? When and where was she born?

We'd like to help, but we need a firm base from which to start..............

Hi Flick and Ann

I am sorry if I have upset you, I didn't mean to ........ and that I have made a big mistake!

I thought that as I was looking for "descendants or relatives" of the Reece or Carver family, that it was a new thread because I have searched the census and got the info I can find on Walter.

I have spent months and money trying to tie the information together.
OK – so trying to tie the information in to just one post.......

I have searched all the census and I have loads of info but I am not sure what information you need me to post!

On the Birth cert I have – DOB 1870 - Walter's mothers name was Rebecca Carver formally Reece - but I don't know if it is the right family or not.

On Walter's marriage cert DOM – 1906 I have his fathers name as Robert Carver deceased architect. This cert is the right one but his age is 33 which makes the birth year 1873

I have a death certificate for a Walter Carver of 23 Ninian Park Road, Cardiff DOD 1944
The informant of Death was a:
P. Wilford. Occupier: 30a Cowbridge Road, Cardiff, which is where Walter died.
I wondered if this name or address means anything to any one?

I am looking for any descendants or relatives of the Reece or Carver family who may be able to help with knowledge of this or stories about a waywood great uncle?!?

Again, I am sorry if you are cross with me.
I am just trying to get some proof as to whether all the informations I have is correct.

Please don't be so hard on people like me who are just trying to make sense of a past they don't know: my grandmother never knew her father and my mother never know her grandfather.
I am trying to put it all together for my mum - before it is too late.

Many thanks
Caroline

why on earth did you start more postings when I see that you do not in fact return to your original after Astra had so kindly found so much information for you = GR do not allow duplicate postings on the same family - you have three. I have nudged that May posting on to this page for you

there is a long running thread posted by Ginny pleading with members not tio post more than once on the same family - apart from the GR posting stickied at the top of the TTF board telling you exactly the same so there is no excuse for it really is there?

Don't know how the person posting 1871 got Robert's occ to be architect..............

So all the 'family info' on this posting is unproven..............

Just found out that this is not the ONLY thread about this man..............and after doing so much searching.!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the OTHER one

Caroline 25th May 2009 16:26 Request review
Thomas Walter Carver, married Ada Giles in 1906, I can not find any record of birth or death.
We seem to think that there is a connection to Liverpool and the IOW, also we believe he was a Ship Steward and Coal Labourer.
We also think he may have been "lost at Sea"
Does this ring any bells?

Add

Jeanette 25th May 2009 16:37 Request review
How old was he when he married? Have you found him on any census returns?

Add

(Deleted)
This post has been deleted by the poster or an administrator.

(Deleted)
This post has been deleted by the poster or an administrator.

(Deleted)
This post has been deleted by the poster or an administrator.

(Deleted)
This post has been deleted by the poster or an administrator.

Astra 26th May 2009 06:12 Request review
Some possibles for you.

Thomas Carver Iron Foundry Worker
Age in 1901: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Gender: Male
Where born: Cwmbran, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanvihangel Llantarnam
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanvihangel Llantarnam St Michael
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration district: Llantarnam
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 170
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Carver 52
Agnes Carver 26
Thomas Carver 19
Lemuel Carver 17
William Carver 14
Elizabeth Jones 19


Thomas Carver
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 200


Ada Giles
Age in 1901: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Fred
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Female
Where born: Garndiffaith, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Abersychan
Ecclesiastical parish: Abersychan St Thomas
Town: Garndiffaith
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub-registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Fred Giles 43
Annie Giles 43
Ada Giles 13
Sarah Jane Giles 11
Mary Giles 7
John Giles 3


Ada Giles
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Pontypool
County: Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 140

The Welsh records for the 1911 census aren't available yet so cannot locate them at that time.

Add

Caroline 30th May 2009 09:10 Request review
Thanks for the help, I will try and get their marriage certificate.

Add

Caroline 6th June 2009 10:59 Request review
Hi Jeanette and Astra
Thanks for the help.
It is nice to have people out there to help me.

I now have a marriage cert.

Thomas Walter Carver
Married Ada Giles on 1/12/1906
He was 33 on 1st Dec 1906
so I guess he was born 1873

He was a Mariner,
living in Cardiff (with Ada and Ada's parents!)
at the time of his marriage.

His father was Robert Carver - an architect and already deceased by 1906

and I still can't find Thomas Walter Carver's birth or death!!!

Any more ideas please?

Many thanks
Caroline

Add

(Deleted)
This post has been deleted by the poster or an administrator.

Astra 6th June 2009 11:19 Request review
Here we go.

Robert is an Architect

Robert Carver
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Rebecca
Gender: Male
Where born: Distington Hondon, Cumberland, England
Civil parish: Leighton
Ecclesiastical parish: Leighton in Trelystan
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Forden
Sub-registration district: Welshpool
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Carver 47
Rebecca Carver 42
Elorfield Carver 12
Louisa Carver 11
Frederick Carver 9
Clara Carver 6
Ada Carver 5
Amy Carver 3
Walter Carver 9 months
Margaret MacDonald 21
Jane Kinsey 35


Add

Astra 6th June 2009 11:22 Request review
If this is him he was registered as Walter.

Births Sep 1870 (>99%)
Barrett Harriet Emily Forden 11b 229
>>Carver Walter Forden 11b 229
Davies Laura Jane Forden 11b 229
Evans John Thomas Forden 11b 229
Jenkins Harriett Ann Forden 11b 229
Nelson Mary Forden 11b 229
Nelson Sarah Forden 11b 229
Parry Elizabeth Forden 11b 229
Tallis William

1881

Name: Clara A. Carver
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Leighton, Montgomeryshire, Wales

Civil parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 85 & 86 Jermyn Street Waterloo Hotel


Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: Berwick Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Fredrick G. Jones 63
Mary Jones 63
John G.W. Jones 19
Clara A. Carver 16

1891

Name: Amy Carver
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Sister-in-Law
Gender: Female
Where born: Leighton, Montgomeryshire, Wales

Civil parish: Walton On The Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Walton On The Hill
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John W Houghton 34
Ada M Houghton 25
Amy Carver 23
John W Hewitt 39

1901

Name: Amy Carver
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Leighton, Montgomeryshire, Wales

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas and St Peter
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 82