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Back to the MILLER family! Thanks to your advice 3 months ago, I have now established that -
GEORGE b 1851 Engine Driver was then son of -
WILLIAM b1818 Wagonwright born in Middlesex, who was the son of-
GEORGE b 1778 born in Nunburnhope Yorkshire and obviously moved to
Middlesex employed as a Customs Officer.
There, the trail has stalled.
The only information I have found is according to other Trees (both unsourced), that his father was Richerd MILLNER born Circa 1755
Any suggestions please as to how I can progress this further, and is it feasible that the name could change from Miller to Millner .

Once again yor invaluable help would be appreciated.

Batmans Daughter

Thanks for that info. Sounds promising. I'll follow it up and report back
mgnv

Thanks for the tip

George

George - You can see examples of English BMD certs near end at:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_186584.pdf

Hi George,

someone has a tree on Ancestry with this info;


Name: William Miller
Birth: 09 Oct 1817 (9 Oct 1817) - Middlesex
Marriage: 1846 - Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Parents: George Miller, Sybla Murray
Spouse: Jane Reed


It maybe worth contacting the tree owner to ask about their info??


Dee x

Hi folks. Further to my search on this thread, I have now established via GEORGE MILLER (1851) marriage cert.
that William Miller,Waggonwright is his father.

The problem now arising is that William was born in Middlsex
but exactly where is not known. He does not appear in the 1841 census but I know he married in Gateshead in 1843 As his birth date is 1918
I suppose I must now resort to Parish Records. If I do this and identify one or more possibilities, how can I verify which is the correct one. If I obtain a marriage cert, this will only give his fathers occupation (if he was still alive) and I'm uncertain if this information would be of any relevance in relation to Parish Records

Your invaluable help and advice would again be appreciated

Janey Canuk

Thanks for that mine if information. Everything seems to fit including the birthplace of William which I had identified as Middlesex

George, you have Lucy's mother's surname from the 1901. (The image does say mother-in-law.)

You have FreeBMD.

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

So you have the marriage between George MillEr and Lucy Swan.


And you did see the 1851 census and birth I posted above?

The 1851 census gives you both George's parents' full names. Thank goodness for in-laws!

Batmans Daughter
My apologies crediting your post re MILLAR to Anne Marie

Anne Marie

Interesting info regarding remarrying. Everything ties in exept the surname MILLar instead of MILLer

Could that be a census error. as its a huge coincidence

Janey Cannuck.

Low Lambton is very close to Penshaw.

1881 census, searching for address "low lambton"

Low Lambton Farm and Low Lambton Staith (?) are addresses in PENSHAW.

(I'd googled Low Lambton and seen a reference to the farm, so used it as an address to search, as farm names show up as addresses in 1881 at Ancestry.)


The place name is spelled PAINSHAW in the 1861, reg dist Houghton-Le-Spring, but most people with their place of birth are speling it PENSHER.

So Dee's 1861 then:


Name: George Miller
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Miller
Mother's Name: Jane Miller
Where born: Pensher, Durham, England
Civil parish: Gateshead

seems to be the ticket.


Do we have 1851?

Name: William Miller
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Relation: Son-in-Law
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Painshaw
County/Island: Durham

Thomas Reed 51
Sarah Reed 56
William Miller 50
Jane Miller 22
John Thomas Miller 2
>> George Miller 2 MO


Births Mar 1851
Miller George Houghton le Spg 24 212

Batmans Daughter

Thanks for that.It looks like the Marriage Cert. is the next best bet rather than the Birth Cert.

I appreciate the help and
will post the results at a later date

Remarried;

1901 England Census about George Millar
Name: George Millar
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Lucy Millar
Gender: Male
Where born: Low Lampton, Durham, England
Civil parish: Byker
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Byker
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 151
Household Members:
Name Age
George Millar 50 >> engine driver
Lucy Millar 36
Elizabeth Swan 67 >> mother (presumably In Law??)
Robert Parkinson 16 >> Nephew born Felling, Durham
Lucy Lyons 23 Cousin born Newcastle

Sorry!. Wrong Miller in 1861.
1871. page 72 address 27 melbourne street

It;s looking like he was William the Wagon wrights son and now the birthplace tallies with the 2 census returns. 1871 and 1891.

If you do get the marriage cert in 1874 the witnesses maybe family members too.

Here he is in 1891, sadly Barbara has died:

MILLER, George Head Widower M 40 1851 Railway Engine Driver Durham Pensher
MILLER, James W Son Single M 16 1875 Boilermakers Apprentice Durham Durham City
MILLER, George Son Single M 14 1877 Butchers Apprenctice Gateshead Durham
HOY, Jane Servant Single F 18 1873 General Servant Domestic Gateshead
Durham

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
4178 Folio:
132 Page:
19

Registration District:
Gateshead Sub District:
Gateshead Enumeration District:
21 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Christ Church

Civil Parish:
Gateshead Municipal Borough:
Gateshead Address:
24, Claremont South Avenue, Gateshead County:
Durham

Ahh..

1891 England Census about George Miller
Name: George Miller
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Pensher, Durham, England
Civil parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Miller 40.. railway engine driver, WIDOW
James W Miller 16 >> apprentice boilermaker
George Miller 14 >> apprentice butcher
Jane Hoy 18 >> servant


Dee x

Batmans Daughter

You are correct...he was a butchers apprentice at age 14.

Later he was a Stoker (Railway Fireman presumably), and later an Engine Driver

As William was a Wagonwright, could it be son following in Fathers footsteps with a Railway connection?

George,

where is george on the 1861 and 1871 census? have you the family after 1881?

Dee x

Batmans Daughter.

Well done! Spot on

George also shows up on 1861,1871and 1881 census

1871 England Census about George Miller
Name: George Miller
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Miller
Mother's Name: Jane Miller
Gender: Male
Where born: Pensher, Durham, England
Civil parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 401
Household Members:
Name Age
William Miller 53
Jane Miller 42
John Thos Miller 22
George Miller 20
William Miller 16
Sarah Miller 14
James Miller 10
Henry Miller 8
Thos Reed 72


George is a butcher and father William Wagonwright

I don't think either of these 1871 census Miller families are yours George. George born 1850 was a Stoker, a Glass maker and butcher were good occupations so why change to a stoker?


Dee x