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Hi Catherine,
RIe my last post Im confused despite the details on Roberts DC on the1871 Census there is a Robert Brodie (listed as father-in-law) staying in Glasgow with James and Jane Brodie James's place of birth is Limekilns so its the correct one only thing is its says Robert was born in Haddington which is what u thought. I cant access this record . Any thoughts on this dont know which one is right.
Think Im at the brick wall again!!
Thanks

Hi folks
Catherine just followed up on somemore of the info u gve me the Robert who died in Harrington isnt mine (Unless reg 2) I got his 2nd marriage cert (1872 Tradeston glasgow) m a Charlotte Niven on the DC I found for Robert in Dunfermline Fife it lists his2 marriages and his parents as James Brodie and Janet Brodie MS Purvis from this I found their Marriage cert and his BC for 4/4/1812 in North Berwick
but thanks I have now found Isabellas brothers -James- DC
Everyone is so helpfull its lovely and appreciated!
Now all I need is to get my printer fixed but shop cant look at it till Thursday aaargh!!!!

thanks again folks,
how do you check the GCI and Helen I checked the Deathe for Ann looks like its not the one as it says she was a pauper who died in the poorhouse and the death was notified by the Governor of the poorhouse.
It does say shes married but not to whom father is a Robert Clark (dec) mother unknown.
Im having trouble with my printer and cant print off from the SP site so its impossible to keep track of everything Im checking out.
I did a post yesterday (which has vanished) if anyone wants to use the SP site go to a library and get the card for £6 gives you 60 credits print out your searches for that card then get another 60 credit one just means you have to use different cards each time but u still have access to prev searches saves a fortune as doing it theother way (to have access to prec searches from same assount) u only get a "top up" of 30 credits.
Hope this made sense if not let me know and hope it stays on board so u can all c it.
I will keep following up on all info from everyone and hopefully will solve this with everyones help.
Thanks to all

Possible death for Ann Thomson Clark ... might be worth a look to see if she is married to Robert Brodie.

Scotlandspeople:

Ann Clark / Brodie (cross-ref names) age 54yrs.
1864
County: Lanark
District: Springburn

Birth year 1809 (+/- 1 year)


This Ann Clark might fit in with this family:

Father: Robert Clark,
Mother: Isabel Anderson

Their children:

International Genealogical Index
1. ROBERT CLARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 16 OCT 1805 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
2. ANN THOMSON CLARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 AUG 1809 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
3. ANN THOMSON CLARKE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 20 AUG 1809 United Association Burgh Seceders, Limekilns, Fife, Scotland
4. MARGET CLARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 MAR 1803 United Association Burgh Seceders, Limekilns, Fife, Scotland
5. MARGARET CLARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 08 MAR 1803 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
6. MARGARET CLARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 08 MAR 1803 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland


For reference:

Marriage:
Robert Clark and Isabel Anderson
18th December 1801
Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

No problem Linda - we all started somewhere! When you start it is just so exciting finding the birth certificate that you are looking for it is easy to overlook the RCE - especially when you don't know that they exist. They appear on marriage certificates too - usually when the couple have divorced but I have come across one where the bride had given an incorrect age and decided to correct it 20 years later (perhaps she was hoping to claim a pension). On death entries the RCE usually refer to cause of death i.e. accidental deaths.

Hi rootgatherer'
Checked BC no RCA but thanks for that.
Can you tell Im new to this? Seriously though everyones help is MUCH appreciated my head was starting to hurt from hitting it off that brick wall!!
Night Night all
Linda

Thanks for that you have given me loads to keep me busy 2moro I have found James BC and MC also some of his children am now trying to work forward with this "branch" who knows might have lots more relatives none of the family knew about James he was in his 20's when Isabella died so we couldnt understand why he didnt take care of his nephew but different times then.
I was so excited about your info that I phoned my cousin in USA and guess what she is out!!!
Thanks a million to everyone will keep you updated about my findings

Looked for John Brodie in 1881 census. Found the one as nephew. Decided to go back to 1871 and could not find John Brodie, so decided to look at the Ferguson's in 1871 and this is where I found 'John Ferguson'. To make sure I checked to see if they had a son called John on IGI. As I said before they did not. I then checked the marriage of Robert and Joan and found her maiden name - Davis. When I looked at the 1891 census I saw her (Joan Davis Ferguson) with John Brodie.

A bit more info. Isabella had a brother called James born 1842 in Limekilns in Fife. He married Jane Blair. He died in 1889 in Moulin in Perth. Isabella's father Robert born (1813 in Haddington) died in 1885 in Dunfermline.

I can't see an obvious connection for the Fergusons but, maybe you can research a bit further.

Catherine

Hi again,
Catherine can I ask you how you got the info from the census under the different name did you use the address if so how do you do this
A million thanks for all your help

Yes this is the address on Isabellas DC now need to try and figure out what the relationship is between John and the Ferguson family!! It really would be too much of a coincidence for a different Jonn Brodie to be staying at the same address wouldnt it?
Do you think he could have changed occupations from the printing works to becoming a Baker?
Can anyone also advise me if someone who was an Excise Officer would then become a Commercial Traveller do you know of anywhere I could checkout if Robert Brodie (Johns maternal grandad) did this and when he changed jobs ie is there somewhere I can contact to clarify this .thanks you just may have broken through my brick wall!!!

Hi Catherine,
I checked in earlier and found your reply I psoted areply to you but if seems to have gone wakabout1
I am awaiting a reply to an e-mail which hopefully will confirm that I am looking for the correct John Brodie I am 99 per cent sure I am.
From the info I have I dont think this is him he was a Baker all his life its shown on every doc Ive traced Ie census, marriage x 2 and childrends BC and even his DC.
Will get peace 2moro when OH + kids are out of the way and will re list everything I have. Can anyone enlighten me as to what an RCA on a BC is? Thanks again

Please note the address of 4 College Street. This was the address given on Isabella's death cert.

Catherine

Linda - an RCE (Register of Corrected Entries) sometimes appears on certificates. On birth certificates it often refers to the paternity of the child if the mother has gone to court to have paternity proved. Look in the left hand column of the birth certificate, that is where the RCE is usually noted indicting the volume and page number. On Scotlandspeople when you click on the entry you want to look at if there is an RCE there is usually a red box with the letters RCE near the top of the page (from memory). You then click on this and it costs another 2 credits to view it.

Think this may be your John. Known as John Ferguson in 1871 census in Glasgow.

Name: John Ferguson
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Robert Ferguson
Mother's Name: Joan Ferguson
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
Registration Number: 644/1
Registration district: Central District
Civil parish: Glasgow St Paul
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 4 College St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 43
Household schedule number: 126
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1871_123
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Ferguson 47
Joan Ferguson 40
Thos Ferguson 22
Margaret Ferguson 18
Christina Ferguson 14
William Ferguson 11
John Ferguson 6
Isabella Ferguson 2

In 1881 known as John Brodie nephew -

Name: John Brodie
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relationship: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/5
Registration district: Blackfriars
Civil parish: Glasgow St Paul
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 4 College St
Occupation: Feeder In Printing Office
ED: 21
Household schedule number: 50
Line: 4
Roll: cssct1881_226
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Ferguson 57
Joan Ferguson 50
Isabella B Ferguson 12
John Brodie 15

In 1891 which you already have you will see Joan Davis Ferguson at the same address.

Robert Ferguson and Joan Davies or Davis were married in 1848 in Glasgow. On IGI I searched for a son John. All of their children came up but no John. Therefore I am making the assumption this is John Brode as identified in 1881 and 1891 censuses.

Catherine

Hi Helen,
thanks for that. I am going to do some checking on the info you sent and on the info I have as there are some differences and then if you dont mind I will update my post probably 2moro The death cert (if I have the correct one) lists Isabellas mother as Ann Thomson Brodie M.S. Clark

Not sure if this could be the family 1851 census

Name: James Brodie
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Margaret Anderson
Gender: Male
Where born: Limekilns
Parish Number: 424
Civil parish: Dunfermline
Town: Limekilns
County: Fife
Address: Village Of Limekilns
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2A
Page: 49 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 240
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1851_87
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Anderson 73
Ann Brodie 38
James Brodie 9
Isabella Brodie 6
Thomas Clark 38

ignore that it gives James mother as Margaret Anderson...she is probably his grandmother.

edit......Margaret is Ann Brodie's aunt

Hi,
if Anne Thomson (Clark) Brodie died before 1855 then it is unlikely you will find a death cert as they didn't really exsist prior to that. If you are very lucky you may be able to find a record in Old Parish Records

Are you sure Isabella's mother name was (Ann Thomson 'nee' Clark)

Could the full name have been Ann Thomson Clark

Marriage:
Robert Brodie
Anne Thomson Clark
12 Feb 1837 Little Dunkeld, Perth, Scotland


This same marriage is also recorded in Dunfermline .. different date. (both may have been the calling of Banns for each persons respective parish.

Robert Brodie
Ann Thomson Clarke
24 Feb 1837 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

Child:
James Brodie
Born: 5 Jan 1843
Christened: 29th May 1842
United Association Burgh Seceders, Limekilns, Fife, Scotland.

Isabella may have had a brother after all ... as noted on the 1861 census.

Hi everone,Just logged in again and firstly I want to say a big thanks to everyone who has posted areply and tried to help. Can rootgatherer pls tell me what an RCE is?
Perhaps at this stage it would be helpfull if I post all the info I have. John Brodie was born illegitamate on 25th August 1864. His birth was registerd by his mother Isabella Ann Brodie on 30th Sep in Milton Glasgow.
Isabella diedon16/2/1867 in the Central District of Glasgow. Her death was registered by her father Robert Brodie on 18/2 his occupation is shown as a commercial traveller her mother (Ann Thomson nee Clark ) is listed as deceased - I cant find her death certificate.
I found Isabella (17yrs) on the 1861 Census together with a James Brodie (19yrs) listed as visitors her place of birth was shown asEngland. I gor a copy of her BC and it is her - parents match I then checked for her parents marriage and for James BC I think he was her brother but according to Johns grandchildren (some are still living) they never had any aunts or uncles - but James would have been a grt uncle - I think! I found his marriage cert and in the 1871 census he is shown with his family in Glasgow living with him is a Robert Brodie listed as father-in-law! In the 1881 it is just James and his family still in glasgow. Then in the 1891 Census I find "my" John in Glasgow age 26 and listed as a Baker which is what he was. I have his 2 marriage cert and his death cert.
I just cannot find him from the time of his birth Aug 1864 until the 1891 Census. I did check the Poor Relief records at the Mitchell Library no joy I thought it was him on the 1871 Census for Cunninham Poorhouse but after searching their records found that John was in the poorhouse with 3 brothers and his mother. I cannot understand why we cant trace him we didnt know Isabella had a brother but even after finding him John still soesnt appear to be living with him as I said I have checked with both Quarriers and Barnados and no joy.
Does anyone have any suggestions/hints what I can try next?
Once again everyone thanks amillion for all your help.

Sorry if I am stating the obvious here. Have you searched the Glasgow Poor Relief records at The Mitchell Library? Could be have perhaps been brought up by a married sister of Isabella and be listed on the census with a different surname? Was there an RCE on his birth certificate proving paternity? He may have been taken in by his paternal family.

Where did Isabella's family come from please? Do you have them on census records? Who was the informant of Isabella's death please?