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Sorry yes it is MAW .

Amy's parents were Emanuel edward maw born 1870 Lincolnshire and louisa Balderstone 1871 born Lindley wood Yorks.

John Ernest Rowsby 1891 son of John Rowsby born Malton 1867 and Sarah Ann 1867 in Pickering.

Maryb

FreeBMD has Maw:
Births Sep 1913
Rowsby Hilda Maw Barnsley 9c 588


Later birth entries for siblings give MMN as Maw

I'm not giving up.

Yes Eileen's mum was Crabtree as was mum of the Geoffrey L Bedford I posted.
Thats why I think their parents are Albert Bedford 1900 and may Crabtree 1903 both died in Goole as posted.

Claudes mum is posing a bit of a problem,as I'm sure she married Ernest leach in 1933 Barnsley and as no marriage for Harry and Hilda is showing up.

If you have Claude's birth certificate that should say who his dad was and where they lived at the time.Still can't understand why his mum would be Bedford.

I will try and find Hilda again.

Well I have looked and looked there are no Hilda Rowsley births at anytime.
First time Hilda Rowsley mentioned is at her marriage 1933 to Ernest leach and on one of births for Claude Bedford 1930 when it says mum neeBedford or nee Rowsley/Leach.

A case of mistranscription I think.

Hilda Rowsby born J/A/S 1913 Barnsley 9c 588 mum nee Maw.
Amy Maw married Barnsley 1913 to John E Rowsby.

Maryb.

Thanks for continuing-yes they are all dead-Harry Bedford married Hilda Rowsby -not Rowsley, Claudes wife says that Hilda was young when she had Claude about 17 I think ,I will check with her I think she has Claudes birth certificate.Please don't give up just yet.

Just remembered Eileen Loxleys mothers maiden name was Crabtree does that help.

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May Crabtree who married Albert in Thorne 1924.
May born 18/5/1903 died in Goole in 1985 age 82 ref 7 334.

Albert Bedford died Goole 1939 age 39 9c 1656

It is looking more likely that Albert Bedford 1900 married May in Thorne and had Geoffrey L Bedford 1926 died 1942 and Eileen J M Bedford married Loxley.

What do you think folks??

Maryb

There was Albert bedford married May Crabtree in Thorne Yorkshire O /N/D 1934 9c 1773

Another birth Geoffrey L Bedford nee Crabtree A/M/J 1926 9c 1662 in Goole the same as Eileen. There was death for Geoffrey l bedford in Goole 1942 age 16.

So could this be Albert and Mays children ??

Maryb

Edit May Crabtree born 1903 in thorne.
1911 James Lister crabtree 1861 born Thorpe Hesley Yorks a Lock keeper
Eliza wife married 23 years born Thorne
Guy Lister crabtree 1898
Don 1902
May born Wormley Hill 1903
Kate 1906 born kirkhouse hill.
Address Sykehouse Snaith S.O Yorks.

I wonder if the L in Geoffrey L Bedford stands for Lister as in the above people.

I think maybe it is time to purchase birth certificate of Eileen Bedford to determine who her dad was.
Can't find marriage of Harry to Hilda Rowsley.

Did she have Claude 1930 then marry a Leach in 1933.

That is a strange one in itself.
Claude mum nee Bedford then Claude mum nee Roadley /Leach.

Are we sure that Claude's mum is not Hilda bedford born 1909 to Thomas and Frances(Haigh).??

Maryb

Hi Michael,
Can I just ask you if these people are still alive or have they died as i don't want to post info if they are living.

The Albert you mention was actually born in 1900 - he hadn't had his birthday when the census was taken.
His Army papers are on Ancestry; they say he was a butcher by trade.

Janice

Id like to find out who Albert Bedford bn 1901 Barnsley father Albert and Mary Bedford both bn 1862 did he marry and who

Thanks again for your tireless work-my sister in law seems to think that Albert Bedford bn 1901 barnsley is Eileen Loxley bn 1935 i think ( nee Bedford) father that's what a relation of has suggested but I can't see it myself.

No problem Janice,just when i think I've found it something else turns up to ruin it.

Maryb

Sorry Mary,

the significance of what you said early on about this missed me as I hadn't really got into the names and area properly.

If you sort this one, hope you get a cut of the profit lol!

Good luck,
Janice

ok thanks i appreciate all your, help

Not with them two,but that doesn't mean there isn't one with others if you get my drift.

I'am still working on it as I have all afternoon,I find it fascinating and annoying that I can't find it for you.

Maryb

Does this mean that there is no connection then ? not through this line anyway.

But George Bedford son of John and Mary Ann married Lucy Jane Lane not Mary Jane Jones.

That is where I went wrong earlier.
The proof is in 1901 when John widow of Mary Ann (Frost) was with daughter in law Lucy Ann (Lane) widow of George.

The George who married Mary Jane Jones is the son of George 1826 and Amy Hollins.

Maryb

OK. How does this sound?

Eileen JM Bedford 1935

dau of Matthew Bedford and Mary A Crabtree

Matthew Bedford b 1909
son of Thomas William Bedford and Frances Alice Haigh
(neither of their middle names used at marriage registration, and Thomas is aka Tom)

1881census:
Name: Tom Bedford
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Bedford
Mother's name: Mary J. Bedford
Gender: Male
Where born: Barnsley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Worsbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Street address: 4 Canning St

George Bedford 27
Mary J. Bedford 27
Hannah E. Bedford 8
Alfred Bedford 6
Tom Bedford 3
Harry Bedford 1

Thomas William born 1877
son of George Bedford and Mary J

George Bedford born c1854 son of John and Mary Ann.




Harry Bedford 1896

son of Albert Bedford and Mary Denton

Albert born 1862

son of John Bedford and Mary Ann Frost (m 1854)




making Eileen a first cousin twice removed to Harry.

Gawber is part of Barnsley so this looks like the birth of Thomas

Births Jun 1877

BEDFORD Thomas William Barnsley 9c 178

And the 1861 for John and Mary A

John Bedford
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary A Bedford
Gender: Male
Where born: Monk Bretton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Barnsley

John Bedford 30
Mary A Bedford 27
George Bedford 6

Here's the 1871 for Albert born c1862

Albert Bedford
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Bedford
Mother's name: Mary A Bedford
Gender: Male
Where born: Barnsley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Barnsley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary

John Bedford 40
Mary A Bedford 37
George Bedford 16
Albert Bedford 9
Priscilla Bedford 4
Samuel Bedford 1