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This is all getting very complicated and i'm not surprised its confusing you because its confusing me. All I know is that my mums brother, we knew as Roy was born well before her and she was born 1928. I know he married a woman called Linda Ingrams but their marriage cert shows him as being called Malcolm W R Cooper. I wondered if the R stands for Roy . I just cannot find any birth certificate for Roy Cooper born 1916, anywhere in the country. His father , my Grandfarther was born in Birmingham. I know nothing about Roy's birth mother.
Pam

OK got it So how old was he on the marriage cert to Linda .

Henry must have been married before then was he a widower on the marriage to Gwendoline?

There is no age given on the marraige cert for him

According to a tree on Ancestry Harry (Henry) Percy Cooper was born c1899 in Aylesbury, Bucks. He married Gwendoline Blowfield and together they had 3 children - 2 still living and Jean Diana E Cooper.

No sources, however. They have Harry P dying Oct 1973 in Butlers Cross, near Aylesbury. There are 2 death records attached - one in Cheshire and one in 1971.

Obviously not 100% accurate.

They are my grandparents. At least I now know that his middle name was Percy , that might help a bit. Thankyou

Pam - if there is no age on Malcolm/Roy's marriage certificate does it have a line through that column or have they written "full age"? What does it say for his father's occupation?

What does it say for his marital status - had he been married before? If he's as old as you believe then it's quite likely that the marriage to Linda wasn't his first.

Just a thought - do you have the actual certificate, or are you going by the register index?

Sorry I think I have confused you a bit. I only have the marrage entry for them not a full cert.. It is very interesting that you give the other info on his death because he did die in Butlers Cross . I will look more into that thankyou.
Pam

Pamela - you are going to get into a muddle if you just go by the register entries, you use the information from them to order copies of the actual certificates.

I strongly suspect that the 1943 birth that Shirley found is the right one.

Never rely on family anecdotes about ages.

???

Births Dec 1894 (>99%)
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Cooper Harry Percy Wycombe 3a 707

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so if Henry was born c1899 he would have been very young to have had a son born c1916.

Its unusual for no age to shown on a marriage cert for the 1960,s

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
Name: Harry Percy Cooper
Regiment or Corps: Army Cyclist Corps
Regimental Number: 1823

1911

COOPER, Ann Head Widow F 55 1856 Housekeeper Bucks Hampden VIEW
COOPER, Samuel Son Single M 25 1886 Domestic Gardener Bucks Ellesborough VIEW
COOPER, Arthur Son Single M 19 1892 Domestic Gardener Bucks Ellesborough VIEW
>>>>>COOPER, Harry Son Single M 16 1895 Farm Labourer Bucks Ellesborough VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7902 Reference:
RG14PN7902 RG78PN395 RD145 SD3 ED7 SN12

Registration District:
Wycombe Sub District:
Princes Risborough Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Ellesborough

Address:
Chalkshire Butlers Cross Ellesborough Buckinghamshire County:
Buckinghamshire

Shirley - Pam doesn't actually have the certificate.

This ties in:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
Name: Harry Percy Cooper
Birth Date: 3 Sep 1894
Date of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1971
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Wycombe
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 1472

AHH you wont find any ages in the indexes you have to buy the cert fro the details.

It will show his age and fathers name . I strongly suspect the marriage to Linda is the 1943 Malcolm

Henry and Gwendoline had three children

Mum Jean 1928 Graham H D in 1936, and Malcolm W R in 1943


So Malcolm may have been known as ROY but wasnt younger than your mum

I'm wondering if it was mum who was actually quite a bit older than her brother, not the other way round? .........

I have to go now as tea calls but I will pick this all up another day. Thankyou , all of you for your help . It is much appreciated.
Pam