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Thanks Kucinta and Ozibird.
The time and effort you have both put into researching George and family on my behalf and also explaining to me your findings is very much appreciated.

Thanks, Kucinta.

Chevaun, this is so second-nature to me now that I forget new researchers can't follow what I'm doing. Kucinta explained it perfectly.

The capital letters for an index name on the freebmd website means that entry has been double checked by two different transcribers, therefore likely to be exact. That doesn't mean the others are not right. They just haven't been double-checked yet.

Ozi

Glad to have been of help.

If you look at the possble marriage for Sarah Otway that Ozibird posted, it looks like she decided between the two possible bridegrooms by looking for children with their surnames and a mother maiden name Otway, and came up with Walter Smith rather than Walter Jackson as the likely husband.

Sometimes the only way to find out is to send for the actual marriage cert, but Ozibird has admirably demonstrated how a little cross-referencing with other sources can sort it out without having to resort to that.

Thanks for that Kucinta, that explains things a lot clearer. When I was trying to do my own searches and info like this was coming up, I was dismissing it 'cos I was thinking it was the wrong person...
it's just taking me so long to get the hang of all of this!

Marriages Jun 1908
NEEDHAM Samuel Bradford 9b 195
Otway Annie Elizabeth Bradford 9b 195
Parker Bertha Lydia Bradford 9b 195
Uttley Fred Bradford 9b 195

These are just the two marriages listed on that particular register page. You can't tell by looking at it which bride married which groom, but can always try crossreferencing with the next census.

Annie Otway in theory could have married either Needham or Uttley, but the later census info supported Uttley.

AS far as I know there is no significance in some surnames being capitalised, It's just a FBMD quirk, unless someone else knows otherwise, in which case I wll stand corrected.

Hi, Thanks for all the information.

Yes, Ozibird I did mean no mention of Annie and Sarah on the 1911, when the family were back with the grandma. From the info that you have provided it would appear that Annie and Sarah married. I find the breakdown of all of this information so confusing, I hope this researching will get easier with time!
Can you tell me if this breakdown is the log of the marriage to Uttley? Sorry if this is a stupid question, I just can't understand why Needham is the predominant name (in capitals)???
Marriages Jun 1908
NEEDHAM Samuel Bradford 9b 195
Otway Annie Elizabeth Bradford 9b 195
Parker Bertha Lydia Bradford 9b 195
Uttley Fred Bradford 9b 195
Any explanation would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry, I deleted the above by mistake.

I think this is Annie.

Births Jun 1887
Otway Annie Elizabeth Bradford, Y. 9b 166
1891: Ann E Otway Geo, Annie abt 1887 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Daughter Bradford, Yorkshire


Marriages Jun 1908
NEEDHAM Samuel Bradford 9b 195
Otway Annie Elizabeth Bradford 9b 195
Parker Bertha Lydia Bradford 9b 195
Uttley Fred Bradford 9b 195

1911:
UTTLEY FREDERICK M 1882 29 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
UTTLEY ANNIE ELIZBTH F 1887 24 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
UTTLEY EMILY F 1907 4 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
UTTLEY ALICE F 1908 3 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding


Births Dec 1911
Uttley George F Otway Bradford 9b 218
Births Mar 1913
Uttley Sarah Otway Bradford 9b 264
Births Dec 1914
Uttley Mary E Otway Bradford 9b 282
Births Sep 1917
Uttley Arthur Otway Bradford 9b 200

Sorry, Chevaun. Things are a bit topsy-turvey with me being in Australia. So I'm pleased Madmeg was able to fill you in.

Did you mean that there was no mention of Annie & Sarah in 1911?

????
Marriages Sep 1908
HARTLEY Emma Bradford 9b 51
JACKSON Walter Bradford 9b 51
OTAWAY Sarah Bradford 9b 51
SMITH Walter Bradford 9b 51

Births Dec 1912
Smith Walter Otway Bradford 9b 211
Births Dec 1913
Smith Lillian Otway Bradford 9b 213

Deaths Jun 1915 ???? Young Walter.
Smith Walter 3 Bradford 9b 198

Births Sep 1915 A second son named Walter?????
Smith Walter Otway Bradford 9b 204



Perhaps?
Marriages Mar 1919
Harvey James W Pratt Bradford 9b 263
Otway Annie Western Bradford 9b 263
Pratt Catherine Harvey Bradford 9b 263
Western George E Otway Bradford 9b 263
Western George _ Otway Bradford 9b 263

There are 4 Western/Otway births.

Sarah is in the children's home with the others in 1901. Annie is with her grandma.

Daughter Annie in 1901?


OTWAY, Sarah Head Widow F 63 1838 Charwoman
London VIEW
OTWAY, Annie L Grand Daughter F 14 1887 Worsted Doffer Spinner
Bradford
Yorkshire VIEW
ROBINSON, Mary Lodger Single F 39 1862 Charwoman
Crowland
Lincolnshire VIEW
RG13 Piece:
4148 Folio:
10 Page:
11
Bradford Sub District:
Bradford East Enumeration District:
1 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Bradford St Luke

Civil Parish:
Bradford Municipal Borough:
Address:
72, Chandos Street, Bradford County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

EDIT Already posted.

He would go there either cos he had no money to pay his rent, or he might have been ill, cos Workhouses were the only places to go for medical care. He could have been depressed (I doubt that, cos they would have called him an imbecile or similar) or simply nowhere to live. Chucked out by the landlord with no female relatives to look after the kids. He probably did the best he could at the time. Times were hard, back then. Our rellies did their best. Seems to me that your George did what he could for his kids. They may only have been in he Workhouse/School for a short time and back to granny.

Workhouses were very different across the country. By 1901 some were quite reasonable places, relatively clean and disease-free, some were like shit (Excuse me).

But people just did what they could. The fact that George is back with his mum and 3 kids in 1911 tells me that he was a good man who took his responsibilities seriously.

No mention of the daughters there though - Annie and Sarah.

They're all back with grandma in 1911, as already posted:

OTWAY, Sarah Head Widow F 75 1836 Surrey London VIEW
OTWAY, George Son Widower M 47 1864 Labourer Surrey London VIEW
OTWAY, Robert Grandson Single M 17 1894 Machine Minder Bradford Yorks VIEW
OTWAY, Herbert Grandson Single M 14 1897 Errand Boy Bradford Yorks VIEW
OTWAY, Percy Grandson Single M 13 1898 Jobber Bradford Yorks VIEW
RG14 Piece:
26732 Reference:
RG14PN26732 RG78PN1540 RD498 SD2 ED13 SN68
Bradford Central Enumeration District:
13 Parish:
Bradford

Address:
72 Chandos St Bradford County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

1901 seems to have "the year" for people in Workhouses. I haven't worked out why.

I'll look up Workhouses on Google, I don't know a lot about them. Would he have had to go there as he had no money? Sorry if that is a stupid question, I just have no idea!

Thanks Madmeg for the info.
So Annie died, the children were put into a home and George went to a workhouse...
Do you know if there would be any way for me to find out Annies cause of death?

There were about 1,000 inmates in the District Bradford Workhouse. You might find some information about it on the Workhouses website. Google Workhouses cos I can't remember the address. That was a large workhouse and probably wasn't much fun for the inmates.

Oh good, I got a bit worried there... I thought I was going to unearth something awful!

The father was in a Workhouse, not a jail. He's a wagon driver carman born London, Middlesex.

Maybe they're on the 1911 - I'll take a look.

The children are in a children's home, not a workhouse, maybe things were better in such a place. A young man (age 29) was the Master, and there were only about 30 children, so not the norm for a large workhouse.

Thank you to Flick, Kucinta and Ozibird who took the time to respond to my request for information regarding George Otway.
Ozibird, the information that you have provided me with is comprehensive and not previously known by myself.
With regards to your last post, can you advise what your feeling is relating to the mother being dead, children in care and husband in jail?

This looks sad:
Deaths Sep 1899
Otway Annie 34 Bradford, Y. 9b 87


They're in a Children's Home but the name isn't given. There is a long list of other inmates but I didn't bother with those.
1901 England Census
Name: Percy Otway
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Bradford
Ecclesiastical parish: Horton All Saints
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 85-93 Park Road

Occupation:

Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Horton
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Otway 15
Fred Otway 9
Robert Otway 8
Albert Otway 7
Percy Otway 5


1901: District Bradford Union
George Otway abt 1866 London, England Inmate of House (Inmate) Bradford, Yorkshire


1901 England Census
Name: Sarah Otway
Age: 63
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: Bradford
Ecclesiastical parish: Bradford St Luke
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Bradford East
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Otway 63
Annie L Otway 14
Mary Robinson 39