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They obviously had a bulk baptism, but it still doesn't account for the 20 years difference. You would know at 95 that you don't look or feel like a 75 year old. Or at 35 whether you are really 55 as in 1841.

1881 England Census
Name: John Mills
Age: 75
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane S. Mills
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreham, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Newington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 49 Lorrimore Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Commercial Traveller
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
Household Members: Name Age
John Mills 75
Jane S. Mills 69
Anne E. Mills 36
Frederick G. Mills 33
John Mills 28

And he lives longer than 1866. So either we have a totally different family or that tree has just taken baptism & death records and believe they are for the same person.

1871 England Census
Name: John Mills
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Janes Mills
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreham, Kent, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 49 Lorimore Rd

Occupation: Commercial Traveller Gloves

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
Household Members: Name Age
John Mills 65
Janes Mills 60
Annie S Mills 26
Frederick G Mills 24
John Mills 19
Frank Mills 16

It's a thought, Colin, but I don't believe John would be 20 years out.

1841 England Census
Name: John Mills
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: St Mary Newington
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: Union Rd

Occupation: Traveller

Registration district: St Mary Newington
Sub-registration district: Trinity
Household Members: Name Age
John Mills 35
Jane Mills 30
Mary Mills 1

Also the parish records you found and the 1851 census click so I agree. That is not the son of this Solomon & Mary.

Ozi

I don't believe that John Mills b ca 1788 belongs to Solomon and mary


Several of those trees have him marrying a Charlotte .......... and he's an Ag Lab


which just doesn't fit with Butchers ........ especially considering that he was born at least 7 years before Solomon and Mary were married, and they would only have been around 17



Not impossible, I know!




sylvia

I wish we knew how accurate these family trees are!!


Here are the children as shown on one of those trees .......... but no reall documentation for it all!!


John Mills
1788 – 1865 <<<<<< ????? look at date of birth!


William Mills
1796 – 1869

Thomas Mills
1797 – 1890

Richard Mills
1799 – 1803

Alfred Mills
1802 – 1802

Mary Mills
1804 – 1805

Ann Mills
1807 –

Stephen Mills
1811 – 1812

Samuel Mills
1813 – 1833





They lost a lot of their children



sylvia

1871 England Census
Name: Richard Mills
Age: 71
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sophia Mills
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreham, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Otford
Town: Otford
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Occupation: Butcher

Registration district: Sevenoaks
Sub-registration district: Shoreham
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Mills 71
Sophia Mills 75



1881 England Census
Name: Richard Mills
Age: 81
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sophia Mills
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreham, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Otford
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Otford Street
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Butcher

Registration district: Sevenoaks
Sub-registration district: Shoreham
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Mills 81
Sophia Mills 85


Deaths Jun 1882
Mills Sophia 86 Sevenoaks 2a 328

Deaths Jun 1883
Mills Richard 84 Sevenoaks 2a 353

yep

I must be a cougar!

oo'er

I missed those extra people in the household on the 1841

but look how it connects with the 1851

you found

Alfred Martin abt 1838 Kent, England Shoreham, Kent ................ and suggested possibly a grandchild


In 1851 there was

Walter Martin 12 Visitor, b.ca 1839, Brastead, Kent




sylvia

Going for the younger man, hey?

1861 England Census
Name: Richard Mills
Age: 61
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sophia Mills
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreham, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Otford
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Village

Occupation: Butcher

Condition as to marriage: Mar

Registration district: Sevenoaks
Sub-registration district: Shoreham
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Mills 61
Sophia Mills 65 - Butchers wife; Otford, Kent
Walter Manwaring 24 - son; Miller (Journeyman); Otford, Kent



Marriages Dec 1845
MANWARING Sophia Tonbridge 5 767
Mills Richard Tonbridge 5 767




1851 England Census
Name: Sophia Mills
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: David Pryer
Gender: Female
Where born: Otford, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Otford
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Village

Occupation: Butcher's wife

Condition as to marriage: Mar

Registration district: Sevenoaks
Sub-registration district: Sevenoaks
Household Members: Name Age
David Pryer 60 [Previous Household]
Sophia Mills 55
Elizabeth Manwaring 29
Walter Manwaring 14

No!!!


I went after Alfred!!

IF that 1841 is correct ... and that could be a big IF .... here is Alfred in 1851


1851 Census

Name: Alfred Mills
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreham, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Shoreham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Sevenoaks
Sub-registration district: Sevenoaks

Alfred Mills 48 Butcher
Thomas Mills 53 b.ca 1798, Shoreham, Brother, Butcher
Ann Mills 40 b.ca 1811, Shoreham, Sister <<<< House Keeper written in then crossed out
Walter Martin 12 Visitor, b.ca 1839, Brastead, Kent
Emma Townsend 19 Servant

Address:- Part of Shoreham Village



sylvia

snap Ozi!!

???????????????


could this be mary and some of her children on the 1841???


The ages on the 1841 are rounded down to the nearest 5 (in most cases anyway!) ..... hence why Thomas and Richard are both shown as age 40. Also, relationships are not given


1841 Census

Name: Mary Mills
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1771
Gender: Female
Where born: Kent, England

Civil Parish: Shoreham
Hundred: Codsheath
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Seven Oaks
Sub-registration district: Shoreham

Mary Mills 70 Butcher
Thomas Mills 40 Butcher
Richard Mills 40 Butcher
Alfred Mills 35 Butcher
Ann Mills 30 Butcher

Address:- Hauham St

This could be the family.

1841 England Census
Name: Mary Mills
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1771
Gender: Female
Where born: Kent, England
Civil Parish: Shoreham
Hundred: Codsheath
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Shoreham St

Occupation: Butcher

Registration district: Seven Oaks
Sub-registration district: Shoreham
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Mills 70
Thomas Mills 40 - Butcher J.
Richard Mills 40 - Butcher J.
Alfred Mills 35 - Butcher J.
Ann Mills 30

These 3 are also with the household.
Alfred Martin abt 1838 Kent, England Shoreham, Kent [possibly a grandchild]
Jane Wackling abt 1826 Kent, England Shoreham, Kent - F.S.
William Richard abt 1826 Kent, England Shoreham, Kent - M.S.

thankyou all so much

????

from ancestry



England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906

Name: Samuel Walter Mills
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1813
Christening Date: 30 May 1813
Christening Place: Shoreham, Kent, England
Father's name: Solomon Mills
Mother's name: Mary




sylvia

from ancestry.co.uk


Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837

Name: Solomon Mills
Spouse: Mary Squib
Marriage Date: 1795
Parish: Southwark




London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Solomon Mills
Spouse Name: Mary Squib
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Feb 1795
Parish: St Saviour
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark

from image:-

Solomon
Of This Parish
Bachelor


Mary
Of This Parish
Spinster

Married by Banns

Witnesses:- Richd Squib and Marie Venust (???sp)



sylvia

from a family tree on ancestry


Solomon and Mary married in February 1795 in Middlesex

Solomon died March 1824




do you ahve the names of any children???




sylvia