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Thanks Lesley, I'll follow up on Keighley as adopted son - could be a lead. Think I've got to accept Keiley not correct spelling - he must have just adopted this when he went to sea in 1904. Tenuous links to Gloucester but this Albert is linked to Oldham and I know he was married there,

Thanks everyone

There are no births for Albert Keiley apart from his son in 1909.

So either Keiley was not his name or he was not born in England or Wales

jax

Don't know if you have got this one
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THORPE, John Head Married M 46 1855 Out Door Labourer
Oldham
Lancashire VIEW
THORPE, Hannah C Wife Married F 45 1856
Oldham
Lancashire VIEW
THORPE, Ada Daughter Single F 19 1882 No Occ
Cripple From Childhood Oldham
Lancashire VIEW
THORPE, Mary H Daughter Single F 17 1884 Ring Spinner Cotton Mill
Ashton Ur Lyne
Lancashire VIEW
THORPE, Lisetta Daughter Single F 14 1887 Ring Spinner Cotton Mill
Oldham
Lancashire VIEW
KEIGHLEY, Albert Adopted Son Single M 17 1884 Spindle & Flyer Maker Apprant
Huddersfield
Yorkshire VIEW
DANIELS, Michael Boarder Single M 30 1871 Joiner's Labourer
Oldham
Lancashire VIEW
Piece:
3806 Folio:
125 Page:
6 Registration District:
Oldham

Civil Parish:
Oldham Municipal Borough:
Address:
6, Church Street, Oldham County:
Lancashire

Thanks Jax. Don't think thats him. The extra info I'd added to the deleted thread was that he married Alice Bell in Oldham 1908 and that a link to Gloucester has been unearthed - he was on a ship in 1904 and place of birth stated as Gloucester.
Ta
Freda

Is it possible to locate the census entries for workhouses by name of the institution or do you have to search for a name and then discover they were an inmate of a poorhouse?

Freda

I think that one married Alice Mather in Ashton in 1908

1911
Name: Albert Keighley
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hyde, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Newton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 81 Victoria St Newton Hyde
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Carter
Registration district: Ashton under Lyne
Registration District Number: 468
Sub-registration district: Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Piece: 24398
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Keighley 28
Alice Keighley 25
Norman Keighley Under 1/12

Name: KEIGHLEY, Albert
Registration District: Help Ashton Under Lyne
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: Help 8D
Page No: Help 532
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It saves people looking up the same info again Freda

jax

Sorry, I thought original thread was too long ago - I gave up after the last failed attempt 12months ago and am just starting up again.
Thanks anyway

Trouble is James could well be a made up name and occupation.
I know I spent ages looking for a father that was mentioned on my gt grandmothers marriage cert. Then I found her birth in an unmarried mothers home, so giving a name did'nt look as bad as "unknown"

jax

doesn't say deceased on marriage cert although from what I can gather father wasn't around for most of Albert's life so could have been deceased.
I have found 2 references to Albert Keiley crewing ships in 1903 & 1904. One of these refers to place of birth as Gloucester circa 1885 - I had heard that Gloucester figured somewhere in Alberts past - a bit more info but still no further on.

Was James still alive at the time of the wedding or is he down as deceased?

James shown as Mechanic

What was James's occupation on Alberts marriage cert?

jax

Thanks Jax - you have just saved me £50+

I mentioned what was on it not much to see really

jax

Don't really know - was hoping for other clues I suppose. someone last night suggested need to look at family relationships that were not visible on freesearch. I am aware that I am clutching at straws and was hoping if I could view the original entry all would become clear! Back to the drawing board then.
Also wasn't aware that don't see original entry on Genes

Platinum will give you the 1911 but you will not see the origanals on Genes as You have been given the census what else are you expecting to see?

jax

I've spoken to mum and Albert Keiley brought his family to Liverpool around this time. They went in to lodgings in Upper Pitt Street! I have gold membership with Genes Reunited and have been fighting against upgrading to Platinum just to see the 1911 census however curiosity has won and I am either going to upgrade or buy credits on another site - 1911 census seems to hold only info on this little family and hope it can give me more clues to Alberts past.
Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to help me on this.

Those Keeley's must be them as there is no Alice Keeley born at that time but as you said this one was born 1911 and census says less than 1 year

Births Mar 1911 (>99%)
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Keiley Alice Liverpool 8b 119