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Doesn't look hopeful, does it?

Ozi

Here you are
1911 census - household transcription
Person: JENKINS, Joseph
Address: 3 Cowper Street



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JENKINS, William Henry Head Married M 31 1880 Postal Clerk Ponthir Mon VIEW
JENKINS, Florence May Wife Married
1 years F 27 1884 Llandaff Glam VIEW
BAKER, Reginald Stanley Visitor Married M 29 1882 Postal Clerk St Heliers Jersey Visitor VIEW
BAKER, Amelia Ann Visitor Married
2 years F 31 1880 St Clements Jersey Visitor VIEW
JENKINS, Joseph Father Widower M 74 1837 Retired Tin Plate Worker Newport Mon VIEW

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jax, I wonder if you could check this one out?

1911: JENKINS JOSEPH M 1837 74 Cardiff Glamorganshire

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1871:
Joseph Lodge Jane abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Head St Mary, Glamorgan
Joseph S Sevil Annie abt 1837 Polman, Cornwall, England Head St Mary, Glamorgan
Joseph Smart Anna abt 1837 Bath, Somerset, England Head St Mary, Glamorgan
Joseph Wilton Peter, Dora abt 1837 Somerset, England Head St Mary, Glamorgan

1881: Joseph Pickford Mary A. abt 1837 Bath Head Cardiff St Mary, Glamorgan

1891:
Joseph Bassett Mary abt 1837 Sheppeor, Devon, England Head St Mary, Glamorgan
Joseph Brooks Margart abt 1837 Barnstaple, Devon, England Head St Mary, Glamorgan
Joseph Taylor Harriett abt 1837 Woodbridge, Suffolk, England Head St Mary, Glamorgan
Joseph Trezise Ann F abt 1837 Bristol Head St Mary, Glamorgan

yes this is them, just asked my relative, shes knows jessies parents which you have just found too,

1881 England Census
Name: Jessie Webb
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Charles Webb
Mother's name: Jane Webb
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 24 Crescent St

Occupation: Washerwoman
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Webb 47 - Labourer
Jane Webb 44
Jessie Webb 20
Friancis Webb 18
Alice Webb 16
Henry Webb 15
Annie Webb 13
Alfred Webb 11
Sidney Webb 8
Florance Webb 3
Ada Webb 7 months
William Webb 10

I have a feeling there's been a bit of stretching of the truth as far as fathers' occupations are concerned.

Excellent, jax. That's them.

Interesting how he's now born Notting Hill, and she's born Fulham. Still in the Kensington district, and makes me wonder about this.

1871 England Census
Name: Jessie E Webb
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Charles Webb
Mother's name: Jane Webb
Gender: Female
Where born: Shepherds Bush, Middlesex, England - not far from Fulham & close to Notting Hill.
Civil Parish: Putney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Putney
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: Bovills Buildings, Gardeners Lane

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Putney
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Webb 38 - Marine Store dealer
Jane Webb 35
Charles J Webb 14
Jane E Webb 13
Jessie E Webb 10
Frank G Webb 8
Alice C Webb 6
Harry J Webb 5
Lilian M Webb 4
Annie A Webb 2
Alfred W Webb 1
Frederick Webb 3 Months

also my relative has said joseph jenkins is in the 1871 wales cenus in St Mary, Glamorgan, Wales aged 34

thanks for help, thats them in the 1911 census

1911 census - household transcription
Person: JENKINS, Jessie
Address: 219 Walmer Road Notting Hill W

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CHAMBERS, Lydia Wife F 42 1869 Laundry Work Notting Hill VIEW
CHAMBERS, Benjamin Head M 50 1861 Cattle Drover Hammersmith VIEW
CHAMBERS, Edward Son Single M 20 1891 Railway Porter Notting Hill VIEW
CHAMBERS, Albert Son Single M 15 1896 Notting Hill VIEW
CHAMBERS, Lydia Daughter F 13 1898 Notting Hill VIEW
CHAMBERS, John Son M 7 1904 Notting Hill VIEW
CHAMBERS, Caroline Daughter F 5 1906 Notting Hill VIEW
CHAMBERS, Doris Daughter F 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Notting Hill VIEW
JENKINS, Henry Lodger M 50 1861 Coster Monger Notting Hill VIEW
JENKINS, Jessie Lodger F 49 1862 Charwoman Fulham VIEW

Here's a possibility for them but I don't have access to the details.

1911:
JENKINS HENRY M 1861 50 Kensington London
JENKINS JESSIE F 1862 49 Kensington London


Deaths Dec 1912 (born 1861)
Jenkins Henry 51 Kensington 1a 211

I know this is getting no closer to Henry's mother's name, but we still have to find Henry in any census other than 1891. There are a lot of puzzles with this family.

Ozi

Births Mar 1883
Jenkins Frederick Charles Kensington 1a 104


Births Sep 1890
Jenkins Charles William Kensington 1a 137

Births Jun 1893 I wonder if these were twins?
Jenkins Florence Ann Kensington 1a 110
Jenkins Henry Ernest Kensington 1a 111

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Deaths Sep 1891
Jenkins Charles 1 Kensington 1a 88

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Deaths Jun 1894
Jenkins Florence 1 Kensington 1a 93

There are no Webbs or Jenkins at 4 St James Place or 4 James Place on the 1881 census taken in April. They were there in December according to the marriage cert.

So they are being elusive.

Ozi

Well I can't find him. The only Joseph Jenkins I can find in St Mary is born Cadoxton and is a dock labourer. No Henry Jenkins in sight. Also in 1861 &1881.

So there is some mix-up somewhere.

The only real facts you have are 1) the marriage cert, when Henry is in Middx., 2) the 1891 census when they are in the Kensington district, and 3) his wife's birth in Kensington district:
Births Jun 1861
WEBB Jessy Harriet Emma Kensington 1a 39

I think Wales may be a wild goose chase.

found out forma relative who is also searching for the same person, that joseph jenkins was born about 1837in St Marys Porthcawl, Glamorgan Wales, and in 1871 census was in St Mary, Glamorgan, Wales.

i think the address read, either 4 st james place or 4 james place.

Can't see a Joseph, photographer in 1881.

I don't suppose the marriage cert gave him as deceased ?

Still no luck so far. What was the address for Henry and/or Harriet?

Ozi

thanks for help so far, details i have. marriage certificate reads

december 1881 date married, henry jenkins age 20 bachelor general dealer.
fathers name joseph jenkins photographer

harriet jenkins 21 father charles webb bottle merchant,

on harriets birth certificate here name is jessy harriet emma webb, but must have used harriet.