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Yes thomas was coal something and 1 witness is 'something' bowman and other name is unreadable??

Something not making sense............

Only one marriage on freebmd for Thomas Frederick Bowman

Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)
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Bowman Thomas Frederick Bromley 2a 1035
DUCK Clara Jane Bromley 2a 1035
FREEMAN Ellen Bromley 2a 1035
SMITH George William Bromley 2a 1035

The 'other' child from the baptism
Name: Frederick Thomas Bowman
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Kensington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 171

This would at least give you the mother's full names

I think I have found their marriage on freebmd. Jun 1899 in stockton. I matched up the numbers (10a 113) and it matches with a thomas bowman and ellen macintosh? Believe it or not I have never used freebmd before! Am learning all these new things, very exciting!

The cert I have is a copy my mother in law gave me, very dog eared and a photocopy, think she must have given me incorrect??

Thomas was single in 1901..................................
And Stockton is in the North East..............

Oh ok?? Will keep looking! Maybe they didnt marry til after children were born?

How have you linked the marriage of Ellen Bowman - father Thomas - to the Thomas Bowman born in Southwark in 1880/1, if you haven't got any documentary proof?

This could be a possibility for marriage

Marriages Mar 1900
BOWMAN Thomas Kingston 2a 588
Hosegood Arthur Richard Bromley 2a 588
Jarman Susan Jane Bromley 2a 588
Swallow Ellen Bromley 2a 588
Vale William Bromley 2a 588

You'll note that Thomas Bowman was married Kingston the rest in Bromley. On looking at the image I think the page number should be 538 not 588. When I've put 538 in the following marriages come up .....you'll note that their is a male missing

Marriages Mar 1900
Brown Ellen Louisa Kingston 2a 538
Tickner Henry Kingston 2a 538
Wilson Sarah Ann E Kingston 2a 538

So could Thomas Bowman have married Ellen Louisa Brown?

The christening of ellen says father thomas and mother ellen. I know that Thomas was definately ellens father and his details are correct from speaking to my husbands great grandmother, ellens daughter ivy, before she passed away.

Looks promising londonbelle, think I have some certs to order tomorrow. Although the 1901 says he was single??

Well done........Londonbelle


Not that I can find them in 1911.......and that would completely rule out the Thomas Bowman born in Southwark

I'm getting very confused?? How would that rule out southwark?

oh think im getting it now! because the southwark is the 1901 census saying single? shame i didnt get more info from ivy at the time.

It looks as though Henry Tickner married Ellen.............

Name: Henry Tickner
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen Tickner
Gender: Male
Where born: Bromley, Kent, England

Civil Parish: North Wimbledon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England


Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Wimbledon
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 111
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Tickner 24
Ellen Tickner 27


I really think the birth cert for Frederick is essential...........

Logging off - must eat.

Will order, thank you both.

Ok, removing southwark, i have found a thomas bowman, married to an ellen in the 1901 census with a daughter kathleen, occupation is coal carman! going to see if i can find kathleen christening now.

Could this be a possibility then....

Marriages Dec 1900
Bowmen Thomas Fulham 1a 466
Henrick Eleanor Jane Fulham 1a 466
Page Amos Fulham 1a 466
Wilder Ellen Fulham 1a 466

Yes that looks good. Fulham as well so would match with other daughters births. Stupidly never changed surname spelling.

Here's a 1901 census

Name: Ellen Bowman
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Fulham, London, England

Civil Parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: North West Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 469
Household Members:
Name Age
George Wilder 60 occ Gen Labourer
Mary Wilder 58
Thomas Bowman 20 occ Coal Porter
Ellen Bowman 19
Thomas C Bowman 4 Months

Could Thomas & Ellen be living with Ellen's parents?

All born Fulham apart from George Wilder who was born Newbury Bucks

Address: 41 Greyhound Rd