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Oh how sad Kim. It is always hard to get over the death of a child.

And Lavinia's parents:

Marriages Jun 1848
FORD Richard Camebra Bedminster 11 78
HART Tabitha Bedminster 11 78

My g.grandfather William Pope did die in 1923. They say he never got over the death of his youngest son Reginald Trevor, who died the year before. Apparently he fell out of the trapdoor of the attic and did instantly. My father was named Trevor in his memory.

Well I do this for a living too, so I'm used to untangling complicated webs!

We must have cross posted there Alex and all can say is that you are very good. How do you find this all out so quickly? I was just checking on the ancestry site and saw you have already posted a note on Lavinia Mould's name. Wow. Also you have just told me who Doris Pope married, I didn't know that. Edith Pope was my grandmother. You're brilliant!!! Thanks again.

Kim

I did post a death ref for Lavinia under the name Mould in 1915 - will post again:

Deaths Sep 1915
Mould Lavinia C 51 Bristol 6a 188

Births Jun 1900
Pope William Leonard Cardiff 11a 426

He was born before they married.

Births Sep 1901
Pope Doris Elizabeth M Cardiff 11a 496

Births Sep 1902
Pope Edith Caroline Cardiff 11a 480

Births Dec 1906
Pope Reginald Trevor Cardiff 11a 449

Deaths Jun 1922
Pope Reginald T 15 Cardiff 11a 479

Possible death for William -

Deaths Jun 1923
POPE William 66 Cardiff 11a 480

Marriages Sep 1922
COPEMAN James A Pope Cardiff 11a 629
POPE Doris E M Copeman Cardiff 11a 629

Marriages Dec 1927
Pope Edith C Williams Cardiff 11a 662
WILLIAMS Richard H Pope Cardiff 11a 662

Marriages Sep 1930
Clarke Ellen L Pope Hereford 6a 1408
Pope William L Clarke Hereford 6a 1408

If it is Lavinia that married Charles Aven then she was quick off the mark remarrying because she married my g.g. in August 1887!!! Having read back I am presuming that Lavinia married first into the Mould family, then presumably separated and married Charles Aven, then my g.g. after Charles died. Wow, some girl. So if only I could find out what happened to her after she and my g.g. split. I haven't found any death notice for her yet under any of her names.

And for reference William post Lavinia!

Marriages Sep 1900
John Catherine Jane Cardiff 11a 643
Pope William Cardiff 11a 643

1901

POPE, William Head Married M 44 1857 House Painter
Birmingham
POPE, Catherine Wife Married F 22 1879
Dinas Powis
Glamorganshire
POPE, William Son M 0 (11 MOS) 1901
Penarth
Glamorganshire

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
4989 Folio:
83 Page:
27

Registration District:
Cardiff Sub District:
Penarth Enumeration District:
3 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Augustines

Civil Parish:
Penarth Municipal Borough:
Address:
45, Plassey Street, Penarth County:
Glamorganshire

1911

POPE, William Head Married M 54 1857 House Painter Army Pensioner Town Hereford City
POPE, Catherine Jane Wife Married
11 years F 30 1881 Glam Dynas Powis
POPE, William Leonard Son M 10 1901 School Glam Penarth
POPE, Doris Elizabeth May Daughter F 9 1902 Glam Penarth
POPE, Edith Carlione Daughter F 8 1903 Glam Penarth
POPE, Reginald Trevor Son M 4 1907 Glam Penarth

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
32187 Reference:
RG14PN32187 RG78PN1849 RD588 SD6 ED10 SN138

Registration District:
Cardiff Sub District:
St Nicholas Enumeration District:
10 Parish:
Barry

Address:
33 Burlington St Barry County:
Glamorganshire

Married for 11 years - 4 children.

Kim - if you look at the previous messages you'll see where Mould comes in, but brief run down....

Lavinia Caroline Ford b. 1862 St James Bristol - daughter of Richard Cambria Ford and Tabitha.

1st marriage to Frederick James Mould in 1880. They separated and Frederick took up with an Annie and had children with her, together in subsequent censuses.

2nd marriage to Charles Henry Aven in 1884 - seems he died in 1887.

3rd marriage to William Pope in 1887 - they separated and he married again in 1900.

She cannot be found on censuses after 1891 however she died under her first married name of Mould in 1915.

Possible?

Births Dec 1852
AVEN Charles Frome 5c 542a

Son of John Aven and Lydia

Marriages Jun 1849
Aven John Frome 10 638
Harvey Lydia Frome 10 638

But cant seem to find him past 1861.

Burial to match the death I found in 1887 - interesting as he died in Bristol but buried in Frome - possibly buried where he came from...

First name(s): Charles
Last name: AVEN
Date of burial: 21 May 1887
Age at death: 34
Calculated year of birth: 1853
Place of burial: Frome
Dedication: Vallis Road Cemetery
County: Somerset
Notes:
Frome Vallis Road Cemetery:
Denomination: Cemetery
Coverage: 1851 - 1910
Number of entries: 4,208
Record source: National Burial Index
Data provider: Somerset & Dorset Family History Society

Alex, where does the Mould surname come in? Am I being a bit thick today?

wow - I only went upstairs to change the beds and when I came down there was all this information. It is going to take me a few minutes to read through this. But I gather that my Lavinia was born a Ford, married an Aven, then my g.grandfather William Pope, then.....?

The marriage of Charles Henry states he was about 28 - so a possible death for him?

Deaths Jun 1887
Aven Charles 34 Bristol 6a 5

Might be worth ordering that marriage cert to Mr Charles Henry Aven too for some more answers!

Also for ref - Frederick Mould's second 'wife' Annie in 1911:

MOULD, Annie Head Married F 44 1867 Burtle Coventry Somerset
MOULD, Charles Son Single M 21 1890 Coal Labourer Gloucester VIEW
MOULD, Alexander Son M 13 1898 School Gloucester
MOULD, May Daughter F 11 1900 School Gloucester
MOULD, Albert Son M 8 1903 Cinderford
MOULD, Winifred Daughter F 7 1904 Glos Cinderford
MOULD, Dorothy Daughter F 4 1907 Glos Cinderford

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
15234 Reference:
RG14PN15234 RG78PN921 RD323 SD2 ED12 SN172

Registration District:
Westbury on Severn Sub District:
East Dean Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
East Dean

Address:
Woodside St Cinderford County:
Gloucestershire

The years married is a bit ambiguous - looks like she originally wrote 25 but then a 4 was written over the 5.

She'd had 13 children of which 6 had died.

Oooh good find safc!

That's the name of Lavinia Caroline Ford's father so I think that ties that up nicely!

Marriages Dec 1884
Aven Charles Henry Barton Regis 6a 231
FORD Selina Caroline Barton R. 6a 231

????

Groom's Name: Charles Henry Aven
Groom's Birth Date: 1856
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 28
Bride's Name: Selina Caroline Ford
Bride's Birth Date: 1862
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 22
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1884
Marriage Place: St. Clement'S, Bristol, Gloucester, England
Groom's Father's Name: John Aven
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Richard Cambria Ford
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M17284-2
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1596488
Reference Number: p.33 cn.66
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

Just thinking about her use of the surname 'Aven' - I've noticed in 1891 there are a few 'Avon' families in the Barton Regis area (which covers Bristol St. James), perhaps between Frederick Mould and William Pope she took up with a man with the name Avon?

The annoying thing is she doesn't seem to have had any children which might have helped try and track her down in later censuses!

Wouldn't it be lovely if we could just speak to these long dead people and say, hey, what happened to you? Lol. You have been very helpful. I will order that marriage certificate today. Thanks. Kim

Already posted the birth reference for you Kim! I've looked for her under Ford in later censuses too. I wouldn't be surprised if she either got together with someone else and is under his surname or was just avoiding the censuses altogether!