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Maureen

Great spot, Maureen..................

Dorothy didn't hang around, did she?

Name: James Grigg Richards
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1853
Burial Date: 30 Jan 1853
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1802
Parish or Poor Law Union: Westcheap St Peter
Borough: City of London
County: London
82 Snowhill

Maureen

Marriages Jun 1839 (>99%)
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ASKHAM Charlotte West London 2 222
CANNON Mary Anne West London 2 222 ***********************
DAVISON Andrew West London 2 222
ELLIOTT Emma W. London 2 222
FOREMAN Harriet Eliza West London 2 222
PATTEN William West London 2 222
RICHARDS James Wt. London 2 222 **********************
STYLES John Wt. London 2 222

1841

Name: James Richards
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: St Sepulchre Without Newgate
Hundred: London Without the Walls
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: West London
Sub-registration district: North
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Saml Grose 40
Thomas Wells 25
William Marrack 20
James Richards 40
Mary Richards 30
James Richards 1
Thomas Richards 3 MO
Elizabeth Clark 15
William Donnell 20

A few baptisms with these parents (but don't see John)
Name: James William Richards
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1839
Baptism Date: 10 Nov 1839
Father's name: James Grigg Richards
Mother's name: Mary Ann Richards
Parish or Poor Law Union: Holborn St Sepulchre
Borough: City of London

Maureen

Starting again, using your info, Maureen (Thank you)

1851

Name: Louisa Richards
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Richards
Mother's name: Mary Richards
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: St Sepulchre, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Sepulchre
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: West London
Sub-registration district: West London North
ED, institution, or vessel: 3c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
James Richards 50 born DEVON........Occ: Managing Baker
Mary Richards 36 born Tower Hamlets
James Richards 11
John Richards 8
William Richards 4
Louisa Richards 1
Edward Layland 40
James Wake 25
Frederick Lose 26

So the "info" originally posted is nothing more than speculation?

OK-THIS is your fellow,I think. (Matches up with the marriage address and occupation):
1861 census transcription details for: 35, Hampden Street, Pancras
Name: John Richards
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Mary Ann Richards
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Richards 45
J M Richards 21
John Richards 18 Occ:Apprentice painter
William Richards 14
Louisa Richards 12
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 112; Folio: 54; Page: 14

1841

Name: Thomas Richards
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St John
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Richards 50
Sarah Richards 30
James Richards 16
Ann Richards 14
Sarah Richards 13
Mary Richards 12
Thomas Richards 9
William Richards 8
Elizabeth Richards 6
Lavinia Richards 4
John Richards 1

Possible (only that) entries from the IGI

JAMES RICHARDS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 AUG 1792 Harting, Sussex, England

JAMES RICHARDS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 APR 1791 Upmarden, Sussex, England

~~~~~~~to Maureen

So is this who you seem to think his family is?
1851 census transcription details for: 7, Braithwaite Place, Paddington, St Marylebone
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1466 Folio: 50 Page: 1


Reg. District: Kensington Sub District: St Mary Paddington
Parish: Paddington Enum. District: 1B
Ecclesiastical District: St Mary's City/Municipal Borough: St Marylebone
Address: 7, Braithwaite Place, Paddington, St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
RICHARDS, James Head Married M 60 1791 Shoe Maker
Sussex
RICHARDS, Sarah Wife Married F 44 1807 Shoe Maker Wife
Buckinghamshire
RICHARDS, Thomas Son Unmarried M 19 1832 Shoe Maker
Buckinghamshire
RICHARDS, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 15 1836 Shoe Maker Daughter
Buckinghamshire
RICHARDS, Kevina (Lavinia?) Daughter Unmarried F 13 1838 Shoe Maker Daughter
Marylebone
RICHARDS, John Son M 9 1842 Shoe Maker Son
Marylebone
RICHARDS, Maria Daughter F 9 1842 Shoe Maker Daughter
Paddington
RICHARDS, Edwin Son M 7 1844 Shoe Maker Son
Paddington
RICHARDS, Alfred Son M 4 1847 Shoe Maker Son
Paddington
RICHARDS, Martha Daughter F 1 1850 Shoe Maker Daughter
Paddington
CHRISTY, Susan Servant Married F 24 1827 Servant
Essex


Maureen

Edit-snap Flick

1851

Name: John Richards
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Richards
Mother's name: Sarah Richards
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Marylebone

Civil Parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 328
Household Members: Name Age
James Richards 60 born Sussex.............Occ: Shoe Maker
Sarah Richards 44 born Buckinghamshire
Thomas Richards 19 born Buckinghamshire
Elizabeth Richards 15 " " "
Levina Richards 13 born Marylebone
John Richards 9
Maria Richards 9
Edwin Richards 7
Alfred Richards 4
Martha Richards 1
Susan Christy 29

There is no death record on freebmd or Ancestry for James Gregory Richards, which means that, if the name is correct, he died pre-1837............and couldn't have fathered John born 1842/3

Which makes James in his 50s when John born.

1871 England Census about Eliza Richards
Name: Eliza Richards
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John Richards
Gender: Female
Where born: Woodbridge, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Islington St David
Ecclesiastical parish: St David
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Household schedule number: 75
Household Members:
Name Age
John Richards 28
Eliza Richards 29
Eliza A Richards 5
John W Richards 4
John W Richards 5 Weeks

OK...found the answers myself

1871 census

Name: John Richards
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza Richards
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: Islington St David
Ecclesiastical parish: St David
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Household schedule number: 75
Household Members: Name Age
John Richards 28
Eliza Richards 29
Eliza A Richards 5
John W Richards 4
John W Richards 5 Weeks

WHEN was Eliza born?

Where and when was JOHN born?