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For those looking for Thomas in 1901 in Ancestry, he's transcribed as Thomas J Alton King. It looks crazy, I know, but if you look at the image you'll see why.

Ozi

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Marriages Jun 1857
Bex Frederick St Martin in the F 1a 596
Nicholls Elizabeth St Martin in the F 1a 596 <<<<<
POTTER Barbara St Martin in the F 1a 596
Vicary Thomas William St Martin in the F 1a 596 <<<<<

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Births Mar 1859
VICARY Thomas John Mile End Old Town 1c 540

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Births Jun 1860
VICARY Alfred Abercrombie Mile End 1c 486


MILE END OLD TOWN REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : London.
Created : 1.10.1857 (out of Stepney district).

1871 England Census
Name: Thomas J Vicarly
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Elizabeth Vicarly
Gender: Male
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Islington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Vicarly 36 - Tinplate worker's wife
Thomas J Vicarly 12
Alfred A Vicarly 11
Charles Vicarly 6
Arthur E Vicarly 5

Certainly looks like a J to me. Compare with Journalist for occupation. The tail goes under the line. The T in Thomas & Theophilus, also on the same page, sits on the line.

Ozi

This one's confusing!!!
1891 census transcription details for: 388, Kennington Park Road, Lambeth
RG number: RG12 Piece: 398 Folio: 168 Page: 11

Reg. District: Lambeth Sub District: Kennington First
Parish: Lambeth Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: St Mark Kennington City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 388, Kennington Park Road, Lambeth
County: London
DARRELL, Elizabeth Head Married F 28 1863
Ipswich Suffolk
DARRELL, Ernest Son M 4 1887
Ipswich Suffolk
VICARY, Thomas T(I think that's a J) A Cousin Married M 32 1859 Journalist
Kent Bromley


Maureen

Just went to have lunch. Good work, Maureen.

Ozi

Just leaving this one here:
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Noble Ernest Vicory
Name: Noble Ernest Vicory
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1879
Baptism Date: 14 Mar 1879
Father's name: Thomas James Vicory
Mother's name: Ellen Jane Vicory
Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark

Looks like he died the same year.

Maureen

I'm more confused than ever. What was the father's occupation given as on the birth certs for the twins????

This is the marriage:
Name: Ellen Jane Taylor
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Spouse Name: Thomas John Vicary Occ:Compositor
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Jun 1878
Parish: St Mary at Lambeth
County: Surrey
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Edwin Taylor Occ:Builder
Spouse Father Name: Thomas William Vicary Occ:Engineer

1881 Ancestry
Name: Thomas J. Vicary
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Elizabeth Vicary
Gender: Male
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Southwark St George Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 3 Townsend St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Printer Compositor
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 14a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Vicary 47
Thomas J. Vicary 22
Alfred A. Vicary 21
Charles Vicary 16
Arthur E. Vicary 15
Martha Vicary 41
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 524; Folio: 28; Page: 3;

Name: Thomas John Vicary
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1859
Baptism Date: 27 Mar 1859
Father's name: Thomas William Vicary
Mother's name: Elizabeth Vicary
Parish or Poor Law Union: Finsbury St Luke
Borough: Islington

I have no idea if this is the same person...
1901 census transcription details for: 34, Medora Road, Lambeth
RG number: RG13 Piece: 429 Folio: 29 Page: 3

Reg. District: Lambeth Sub District: Brixton
Parish: Lambeth Enum. District: 32
Ecclesiastical District: St Matthias Upper Tulse Hill City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 34, Medora Road, Lambeth
County: London
VICERY, Thomas J Allen Head Married M 40 1861 Printers Reader
BromleyKent
VICERY, Elizabeth Wife Married F 33 1868
FinchleyMiddlesex
VICERY, Ernest Son Single M 13 1888 School
Hammersmith

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Name: Thomas John Vicary
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 50
District: St Albans
County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 357

1911 census transcription details for: 142 Victoria Street Gillingham

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN3939 RG78PN150 RD47 SD2 ED10 SN397


Reg. District: Medway Sub District: Gillingham
Parish: Gillingham Enum. District: 10
Address: 142 Victoria Street Gillingham
County: Kent

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
CHAMLEY, Frank Head Married M 29 1882 Painter Royal Navy London Lambeth
CHAMLEY, Charlotte Wife Married
3 years F 28 1883 London Westminster
CHAMLEY, Muriel Daughter F 2 1909 London Padington

Can someone check this out for where Frank was born?

1911:
CHAMLEY FRANK M 1882 29 Medway Kent
CHAMLEY CHARLOTTE F 1883 28 Medway Kent
CHAMLEY MURIEL F 1909 2 Medway Kent

Thanks,
Ozi

1861 England Census
Name: Edwin Taylor
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Charlotte Taylor
Gender: Male
Where born: Shaftesbury, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Shaftesbury Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: Sarum
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address: Bleke St

Occupation: scholar

Registration district: Shaftesbury
Sub-registration district: Shaftesbury
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Taylor 36
Charlotte Taylor 38 cabinet maker
Edwin F Taylor 13
Frederic C Taylor 11
Emma C Taylor 7
Ellen J Taylor 5 <<<<<<
Frances M Taylor 4
Edwina Taylor 2
Mary Ann Taylor 3 Weeks
Sarah Coward 70
Frederic Warren 33


A little bit older than we were led to believe by her census records!
Births Jun 1855
Taylor Ellen Jane Shaftesbury 5a 230

OK - long shot.

Marriages Jun 1847
Brickell William Shaftesbury 8 173
Hatcher Elizabeth Shaftesbury 8 173
Huse James Shaftesbury 8 173
PETERS Elizabeth Shaftesbury 8 173
TAYLOR Edwin Shaftesbury 8 173 <<<<<
Warren Charlotte Shaftesbury 8 173 <<<<<

1871 England Census
Name: Edwin Taylor
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Charlotte Taylor <<<<<
Gender: Male
Where born: Shaftesbury, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street address: Bleke St

Registration district: Shaftesbury
Sub-registration district: Shaftesbury
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Taylor 44 Cabinet Maker
Charlotte Taylor 44
Frederic Taylor 21
Emma Taylor 17
Ellen Taylor 15 - Dressmaker; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Frances Taylor 13
Edward Taylor 12
Mary Taylor 10

Possibly where Edwina & Frances come from.

As Ozi says,I think you can cross of the 1873 marriage.

1881 census transcription details for: 62, Copy Nook, Blackburn
RG number: RG11 Piece: 4188 Folio: 84 Page: 24

Reg. District: Blackburn Sub District: Blackburn
Parish: Blackburn Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 62, Copy Nook, Blackburn
County: Lancashire

CHARNLY, George E Head Married M 28 1853 Butcher
Rishton Lancashire
CHARNLY, Ellen Wife Married F 28 1853
Blackburn Lancashire
CHARNLY, Alice A Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Blackburn Lancashire
CHARNLY, John Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Blackburn Lancashire
CHARNLY, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 3 1878
Blackburn Lancashire

Name: George Edward Charnley
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 34
District: Blackburn
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 2[58]3

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Ellen Jane Taylor
Name: Ellen Jane Taylor
Year of Registration: 1852
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Blackburn
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 253

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Ellen Jane Charnley
Name: Ellen Jane Charnley
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 50
District: Blackburn
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 221

Maureen

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Births Sep 1860
TAYLOR Ellen Shaftesbury 5a 212

Warren and Bryant were both common surnames in Dorset. Have you traced the previous generations?
Katie

Also have you any idea of the Warren connection in their names? I wonder if that is on the Vicary side?

Ozi

Do you think this is Ellen?

1881 England Census
Name: Jane Vicary
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: House At Rose Hill

Condition as to marriage: married <<<<<

Occupation: Nurse Md Dom

Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Hampton
Household Members: Name Age
Walter M. Chinnery 37 - Member of London Stock Exchange
Selina E. Chinnery 7
Morisby Chinnery 6
Harry B. Chinnery 5
Katherine J. Grove 19
Sydney A. Grove 18
Louisa A. Sudre 45
Charlotte Wells 52
Matilda Bass 23
Mary J. Bailey 23
Mary A. Jacobs 18
Jane Vicary 19
Mary Smith 21



and again ...

1901 England Census
Name: Ellen J Chamley
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Shaftesbury, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 38 Compton St

Occupation: Dressmaker

Condition as to marriage: widow

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Gray's Inn Lane
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen J Chamley 39


Update re 1881:
The census details would have been written by some other member of the household. Perhaps she was asked where do you come from rather than where were you born.

Still trying to find husband & twins in 1881. Would like to know what happened to Frances Edwina.

Sorry, I got a conference call from my brothers & sister, & considering we live in different parts of the world with different time zones, this doesn't happen too often.

Back to Samantha - 'but i have found a marriage for Ellen Jane Taylor to George Edward Chamley but this is March 1873 which is five years before her marriage to the Vicary man and on George Chamleys death cert that i have it also states that Ellen Jane Chamley was present at the death and was his widow and thats dated the 1st December 1900.' Actually this 1873 marriage is CHARNLEY and is in Blackburn. I don't think it is your couple.

So i wonder when George Chamley and Ellen Jane Taylor or Vicary did get married

Samantha

Hi Katie
Thanks very much for the e-mail
I shall sit and have a proper look at them in the morning

Samantha