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he was a widower mac in 1901

Just another thought, have you tried the local parish records to see if they have more information on the marriage record? Also what about local newspapers for an obituary, or write-up about the funeral, they sometimes publish names of those attending. Could provide a possible lead if some of his family attended.

Hi Shirley,

You may be right, have had no luck finding him 1891/1901 with any degree of certainty. Sorry, don't know what else to suggest.

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Mac

You hadn't given the sisters names, & I haven't tried to find the family on earlier census as you already have them, so I assume this is her sister?

If this is the case, we are probably just looking for plain Thomas Roberts, born c1863 unknown origin, father Thomas, he could be registered on earlier census as an engineer or a fisherman. There are just so many possibilities it would be virtually impossible to find the right one unless he was born locally.

1901 census has a couple of local Thomas Roberts of the right sort of age, single but how do you decide which is him!

dont think we will ever find out ...... thank you all so much for looking

kind regards
shirl

they had 12 children, 4 died

mary hannah wed thomas howden, he came from cleckheaton in yorkshire

you asked mac did any of the sisters marry thomas howden

Who is Mary Hannah??

here it is on fee bmd

Marriages Mar 1900 (>99%)
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Axford Elizabeth A Haverfordwest 11a 1481

i got the wedding certificate marion, not sure why its not official

Mary Hannah married Thomas Howden

I've been loking for a howden/ Roberts marriage...no luck

Bit of a coincidence, there could be a mis-understanding when registering the death and Thomas Roberts got an extra name?

Were either of Elizabeths sisters married to a Howden? I had already wondered if Thomas Howden Roberts was actually registered as Howden and then took on the extra name of the father.

i bet when he went to register the death the registrar asked thomas brother in law his name and stuck howden in, because it was on his mind cud that be posibility

he was thomas howden

What was the brother-in-laws name? He could be Thomas's brother of her sisters husband.

yes he is, the witness at her death was her brother in law

So we don't know which name is correct, and his occupation has changed from engineer to fisherman within 2 months. I assume they are the same person, is he recorded as her husband on the death certificate?

he was a fisherman on her death certificate there i got his name as thomas howden roberts on his wedding cert its thomas roberts