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Marie

Marie Report 13 Jan 2011 01:33

Looking for
Florence Chorlotte Cook, (formally Jones)
She married John George Cook about 1907 they lived in Stepney London. They had one child, Albert John Cook born about 1910
Also in the same household were stepchildren, Edith Florence Jones, Cyrul Arthur Jones, Dorothy Daury Jones, I asume they were related to my grandmother Winifred May Jones born 1905 she is also down as a stepchild aged 6
Maybe someone can help me with this puzzle as my nan was adopted out later on to Warwick and I think that this Jones was her real mum. Thank You

Lynski

Lynski Report 13 Jan 2011 01:49

For reference - 1911 census
COOK, John George Head Married M 45 1866 Warehouseman Shoreditch London
COOK, Florence Charlotte Wife Married
4 years F 42 1869 Stepney London
JONES, Edith Florence S Daughter Single F 19 1892 Bookbinder Stepney London
JONES, Cyril Arthur Stepson Single M 16 1895 Errand Boy Stepney London
JONES, Dorothy Dawny Stepdaughter F 9 1902 Stepney London
JONES, Winifred May Stepdaughter F 6 1905 Stepney London
COOK, Albert John Son M 1 1910 Stepney London
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1594 Reference:
RG14PN1594 RG78PN56 RD21 SD1 ED23 SN190

Registration District:
Mile End Old Town Sub District:
Mile End Old Town South Western Enumeration District:
23 Parish:
Mile End Old Town

Address:
5 Senrat Street County:
London

Lynski

Lynski Report 13 Jan 2011 01:52

1901 census -
JONES, Arthur James Head Married M 38 1863 Cook & Confectioner
Eton
Buckinghamshire
JONES, Florence Charlotte Wife Married F 33 1868
Stepney
London
JONES, Edith F Daughter Single F 10 1891
Stepney
London
JONES, Cyril Arthur Son Single M 8 1893
Stepney
London

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
328 Folio:
100 Page:
24

Registration District:
Mile End Old Town Sub District:
Mile End Old Town Western Enumeration District:
24 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Thomas

Civil Parish:
Mile End Old Town Municipal Borough:
Address:
5, Senrab Street, Mile End Old Town County:
London

Carolyn

Carolyn Report 13 Jan 2011 01:52

John George Cook married Florence Charlotte Jones - Dec qtr 1906 - Mile End district - Ref. 1c 706. This is from the Free BMD site.

Carolyn

Carolyn Report 13 Jan 2011 01:57

Arthur James Jones married Florence Charlotte Norman - Dec qtr 1890 - Mile End district - Ref. 1c 966. Also from Free BMD site.

Carolyn

Carolyn Report 13 Jan 2011 02:05

Birth of Florence Charlotte Norman - Sept qtr 1868 -Mile End Old Town district - Ref.1c 504.

Lynski

Lynski Report 13 Jan 2011 02:36

Could it be possible that one or both of the parents died after 1911 and she was adopted out because of that?

Do you know anything about the other children?

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 13 Jan 2011 02:51

How do you know this Winifred May Jones is yours? Do you have her marriage cert?

Rose

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 13 Jan 2011 02:54

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Cyril Arthur Jones Name: Cyril Arthur Jones
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1894
Baptism Date: 16 Sep 1894
Father's name: Arthur James Jones
Mother's name: Florence Charlotte Jones
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
born 15th aug 1894
5 senrab street
father is a chef

Lynski

Lynski Report 13 Jan 2011 03:03

There are 3 Winifred May's born in London between 1903 and 1906 -

Births Mar 1905 (>99%)
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Jones Winifred May Mile End 1c 434
Jones Winifred May St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 487

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Births Sep 1905 (>99%)
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Jones Winifred May Fulham 1a 242

Do you know which one is yours? Do you have her birth cert?

Susan

Susan Report 13 Jan 2011 03:14

First marriage

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Arthur James Jones
Name: Arthur James Jones
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Spouse Name: Florence Charlotte Norman
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 21 Dec 1890
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Jones
Spouse Father Name: George Thomas Norman

Witts
George Thomas Norman
Alice Sarah Norman

Susan

Susan Report 13 Jan 2011 03:19

Second marriage

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John George Cook
Name: John George Cook
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Spouse Name: Florence Charlotte Jones
Spouse Age: 38
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Dec 1906
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Cook
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Norman

Florence is a widow in the original image ,John is a soldier.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 13 Jan 2011 03:25

When you say "adopted out to Warwick", do you mean to the place, or that the adoptive parents were named Warwick?

As much info as you can give, it will all help. Under what name did your nan marry, and when, where and to whom? for instance.

Three people have a Winifred Warwick born 1904 in Pimlico, or in "unknown", in their trees here at GenesReunited. Is that your Winifred?


This is sister Daisy of the 1911 Winifred, her correct name:

Births Sep 1902
Jones Dorothy Daisy Mile End 1c 420

so this would be that Winifred:

Births Mar 1905
Jones Winifred May Mile End 1c 434

(Mile End was previously Stepney district)

Susan

Susan Report 13 Jan 2011 04:06

This looks like the correct one

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Winifred May Jones
Name: Winifred May Jones
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1905
Baptism Date: 15 Mar 1905
Father's name: Arthur Jones
Mother's name: Florence Jones
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Thomas
Borough: Tower

Susan

Susan Report 13 Jan 2011 04:18

Only one that fits for Edith

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edith Florence Jones
Name: Edith Florence Jones
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1891
Baptism Date: 20 Dec 1891
Father's name: Arthur James Jones
Mother's name: Theresa Charlotte Jones


Edite
On looking at original image for that bapts it is Florence not Theresa.
This is the correct bapts
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Susan

Susan Report 13 Jan 2011 04:34

Dorothys bapts

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Dorothy Daisy Jones
Name: Dorothy Daisy Jones
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1902
Baptism Date: 20 Jul 1902
Father's name: Arthur Jones
Mother's name: Florence Charlotte Jones
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Susan

Susan Report 13 Jan 2011 05:06

This looks like Florences parents and family in 1871.

1871 England Census
about Florence C Norman
Name: Florence C Norman
Age: 2 Months
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: George T Norman
Mother's name: Sarah Norman
Gender: Female
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Household schedule number: 173
Household Members: Name Age
George T Norman 28
Sarah Norman 26
Florence C Norman 2 Months
Amelia F Norman 5
Alice S Norman 11 Months
Alfred Norman 20 <<<<< Brother to George T


ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 13 Jan 2011 08:26

Marie had another thread on chat a couple of days ago but hasn't been back to it.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/chat/thread/1254889

This is what she posted.

My nan's marriage cert says maiden name Warwick (formally Jones).
so I looked up Jones and found the family,
The couple (Mr and Mrs Jones) had been married only 4 years with own child aged 1 (Ref: 1911 census) also living in the house were stepchildren ages 6-19 (my nan being 6yrs old).
Nan was born 1905
I am finding it hard to get my head round the above, because to add to my confusion, I think she later adopted by Mr and Mrs Warwick,
She never mention the name Jones during her lifetime and all papers she had were for Warwick. (Plus I know my nan had a brother Fred Warwick- but he may have been her half brother or step bother, It all seem straight-forward until I read the 1911 census saying stepdaughter to Jones. (nan said her mum died young and we assumed she meant Mrs Warwick!) can anyone help Please?


I presume this must be the marriage she refers to.


Name: Winifred M Warwick
Spouse Surname: Stevens
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1936
Registration district: Islington
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 383


Name: Leonard W Stevens
Spouse Surname: Jones Or Warwick
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1936
Registration district: Islington
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 383


I have sent her a pm advising how to get back to the threads.

Christine





Island

Island Report 13 Jan 2011 09:32

Marie
Would you mind acknowledging posts on your thread in chat on the same subject.

Marie

Marie Report 14 Jan 2011 01:07

Thank You all for so much help, I will search through the info and try and match it to my nan, I do not know for sure if the Winifred May Jones I have found is the right one, and no way of knowing unless someone else in the Jones or Cook family knows the real story, e.g.: maybe one of the other siblings past on info about what happened to them all, e.g.: Winifred being adopted out to a couple named Warwick. (Maybe the mother or father died and they were all adopted out). I know her adopted parents Warwick did not want people to know she was adopted and so my nan pretended for so long that Warwick was her real parents she never spoke of her real parents or any siblings, but she was young and may not have remembered or told to forget.. There were older children living with Mr and Mrs Cook and I am hoping they know what happened and pass the info on. My nan was born 9th Feb 1905, I will order a copy of her brith cert befpre procedding. Thanks all once again your all so helpful.