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Just collecting some odds and ends here about the other Jones children that could help some day ...

Births Dec 1894
Jones Cyril Arthur Mile End 1c 451

Name: Cyril A Jones ?
Death Registration Month/Year: 1967 (December quarter)
Age at death (estimated): 73 (no DOB because before 1969)
Registration district: Stepney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5e
Page: 155

(if he had had his birthday in 1967, the age would match with birth above)

For marriages 1913-1923, the only one anywhere in the right vicinity is:

Name: Cyril A Jones
Spouse: Alice M Taylor
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1922
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 663

Hi Marie - certainly 9 Feb is what she or her family thought her birthday was, because that's what's on her death certificate:

Name: Winifred May Stevens
Birth Date: 9 Feb 1905
Death Registration Month/Year: Nov 1993

It may not have been her real birthday though. It wasn't uncommon for people born back then not to know their birthdays, probably especially if they didn't grow up with their family. My grandfather lost his mum when he was 10 and then lived with his older married brothers and sisters, here and there, until he was grown. He always believed his name was one thing and his birthday was 17 Dec 1900. When he retired, in Canada,he had to get his English birth certificate, and found out he was really born 15 Dec 1901, and his name was quite different from what he thought it was. ;)

So, if your nan was 30 on 22 Feb1936, she was born between 23 Feb 1905 (she was almost 31 when she married) and 22 Feb 1906 (she had just turned 30 when she married).

Neither 9 Feb 1905 nor 31 Dec 1904 fits, quite. But even then, she might not have known her correct birthdate.

It makes sense that she was born Jones and used the name Warwick -- she couldn't have been formally adopted beause that didn't exist at the time, but she was reared as their own child with their name.

I would still go ahead and get the Winifred May Jones birth certificate. The registration in first quarter 1905 would cover a birth on 31 Dec 1904 or 9 Feb 1905, and it's worth seeing what it says. You can't really go any further without knowing more about that WMJ anyway. The birth certificate should connect her up with the mother from the 1911 census.

It's a matter of turning over stones, and having to start with one stone. ;)

I have my nan's marriage cert it says: married 22nd Feb 1936 aged 30 (now does that mean she was born 1905 or 1906?) Her Birthday was 9th or 10th Feb.
It says Winifred May (Jones otherwise Warwick. Spinster living at 30 Spencer Street Finsbury.
No mention of her father, I know that she was adopted out which must have been to Mr and Mrs Warwick and Mrs Warwick died young (think when nan was 11)
Mr Warwick dis-owned nan when she married a poor man, Leonard William Stevens (a ships steward) . on 22nd Feb 1936.

She signed the Marriage cert W.M.Jones

Without her birth cert I don't know if the Winifred May Jones living at 5 Senrat Street, Stepney (Mile End) in 1911, is her or not.
Ref: Reply from Lynne (2nd reply in list above)
But nothing else seems to match up.

Thank You
Marie

Sorry, Janey, I posted that and then immediately collapsed into bed.

Thanks,Dea!

Maureen

Janey,

Dorothy Daisy's birth date was 1st June, 1902.

Dea x

The date of birth is often written in at the side on the actual register Janey.

I will go and take a look.

Dea x

EDIT:

Yes, clearly states born 31st December, 1904.

Dea x

What am I missing here?!

"Winnie's birth date.On the baptism it's down as Dec 31,1904"

All I see on page 1 is:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Winifred May Jones
Name: Winifred May Jones
Record Type: Baptism
> Estimated Birth Date: abt 1905
Baptism Date: 15 Mar 1905
Father's name: Arthur Jones
Mother's name: Florence Jones
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Thomas
Borough: Tower

December to March is a bit of a longer than usual wait for a baptism. Where is the December birthdate found?

The only thing I'm having a problem with is Winnie's birth date.On the baptism it's down as Dec 31,1904. Of course,not everyone knew their exact dates,especially if they had been "adopted".

I think this might be older sister Edith Florence-exact match on birth date:


Marriages Sep 1926
Allen James H Jones Brentford 3a 223
Jones Edith F Allen Brentford 3a 223

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Edith Florence Allen
Name: Edith Florence Allen
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1891
Death Registration Month/Year: 1981
Registration district: Poplar & Bethnal Green
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 14
Page: 1143

Someone asked if you had the marriage certificate for Winifred. Do you?

Good luck,
Maureen

PS-Dorothy Daisy's birth is given as June 1,1902.

M

Probably somewhere in this thread two or three people have said: get the birth certificates!

Of course your nan's birth cert will have her mother's name on it. Unless she was abandoned on a doorstep somewhere, her mother registered the birth. (If she was abandoned on a doorstep, nobody would have known what her name was ...)

You're hoping the handful of people out of the millions and millions of people in the UK who *might* have first-hand or second-hand personal info will see your posts. That ain't gonna happen.

If you get the birth certificates for Winifred and Dorothy, say, you will be able to confirm the name of their mother(s), at the very least. We're pretty sure you will find the names of both their parents, which will be the same for the two of them.

You will also have their exact date of birth. Ah, we have Winifred's from her death record:

Name: Winifred May Stevens
Birth Date: 9 Feb 1905
Death Registration Month/Year: Nov 1993
Age at death (estimated): 88
Registration district: Haringey
Inferred County: London
Register number: A50A
District and Subdistrict: 2331A
Entry number: 110

>> This matches perfectly with the birth of Winifred May Jones registered in the first quarter of 1905, and her baptism in March 1905. You now need the birth certificate of Winifred May Jones to be certain.

So if you get, say, Dorothy's birth certificate, you will have her date of birth. And if she died after 1969, her death record will show that exact date (if the person who registered her death knew it). So we should be able to find her death record -- and find out her surname when she died -- and trace back from there to a marriage. And find births of her children. And so on.

I don't see a Dorothy Daisy born around mid-1902 in the deaths index. But we could be more certain if we had her date of birth.

Trust us -- all of this is how you actually go about finding people: by *looking for them* -- not by hoping that someone finds you!

Putting posts on internet message boards is not "looking for". It's "hoping to be found". This thread has ways of looking for, and if you act on these recommendations, there's a very good chance you may find.

Thank You all for so much help, I will search through the info and try and match it to my nan, I do not know for sure if the Winifred May Jones I have found is the right one, and no way of knowing unless someone else in the Jones or Cook family knows the real story, e.g.: maybe one of the other siblings past on info about what happened to them all, e.g.: Winifred being adopted out to a couple named Warwick. (Maybe the mother or father died and they were all adopted out). I know her adopted parents Warwick did not want people to know she was adopted and so my nan pretended for so long that Warwick was her real parents she never spoke of her real parents or any siblings, but she was young and may not have remembered or told to forget.. There were older children living with Mr and Mrs Cook and I am hoping they know what happened and pass the info on. My nan was born 9th Feb 1905, I will order a copy of her brith cert befpre procedding. Thanks all once again your all so helpful.

Marie
Would you mind acknowledging posts on your thread in chat on the same subject.

Marie had another thread on chat a couple of days ago but hasn't been back to it.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/chat/thread/1254889

This is what she posted.

My nan's marriage cert says maiden name Warwick (formally Jones).
so I looked up Jones and found the family,
The couple (Mr and Mrs Jones) had been married only 4 years with own child aged 1 (Ref: 1911 census) also living in the house were stepchildren ages 6-19 (my nan being 6yrs old).
Nan was born 1905
I am finding it hard to get my head round the above, because to add to my confusion, I think she later adopted by Mr and Mrs Warwick,
She never mention the name Jones during her lifetime and all papers she had were for Warwick. (Plus I know my nan had a brother Fred Warwick- but he may have been her half brother or step bother, It all seem straight-forward until I read the 1911 census saying stepdaughter to Jones. (nan said her mum died young and we assumed she meant Mrs Warwick!) can anyone help Please?


I presume this must be the marriage she refers to.


Name: Winifred M Warwick
Spouse Surname: Stevens
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1936
Registration district: Islington
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 383


Name: Leonard W Stevens
Spouse Surname: Jones Or Warwick
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1936
Registration district: Islington
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 383


I have sent her a pm advising how to get back to the threads.

Christine

This looks like Florences parents and family in 1871.

1871 England Census
about Florence C Norman
Name: Florence C Norman
Age: 2 Months
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: George T Norman
Mother's name: Sarah Norman
Gender: Female
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Household schedule number: 173
Household Members: Name Age
George T Norman 28
Sarah Norman 26
Florence C Norman 2 Months
Amelia F Norman 5
Alice S Norman 11 Months
Alfred Norman 20 <<<<< Brother to George T

Dorothys bapts

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Dorothy Daisy Jones
Name: Dorothy Daisy Jones
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1902
Baptism Date: 20 Jul 1902
Father's name: Arthur Jones
Mother's name: Florence Charlotte Jones
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Only one that fits for Edith

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edith Florence Jones
Name: Edith Florence Jones
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1891
Baptism Date: 20 Dec 1891
Father's name: Arthur James Jones
Mother's name: Theresa Charlotte Jones


Edite
On looking at original image for that bapts it is Florence not Theresa.
This is the correct bapts
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets

This looks like the correct one

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Winifred May Jones
Name: Winifred May Jones
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1905
Baptism Date: 15 Mar 1905
Father's name: Arthur Jones
Mother's name: Florence Jones
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Thomas
Borough: Tower

When you say "adopted out to Warwick", do you mean to the place, or that the adoptive parents were named Warwick?

As much info as you can give, it will all help. Under what name did your nan marry, and when, where and to whom? for instance.

Three people have a Winifred Warwick born 1904 in Pimlico, or in "unknown", in their trees here at GenesReunited. Is that your Winifred?


This is sister Daisy of the 1911 Winifred, her correct name:

Births Sep 1902
Jones Dorothy Daisy Mile End 1c 420

so this would be that Winifred:

Births Mar 1905
Jones Winifred May Mile End 1c 434

(Mile End was previously Stepney district)

Second marriage

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John George Cook
Name: John George Cook
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Spouse Name: Florence Charlotte Jones
Spouse Age: 38
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Dec 1906
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Cook
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Norman

Florence is a widow in the original image ,John is a soldier.

First marriage

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Arthur James Jones
Name: Arthur James Jones
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Spouse Name: Florence Charlotte Norman
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 21 Dec 1890
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Jones
Spouse Father Name: George Thomas Norman

Witts
George Thomas Norman
Alice Sarah Norman

There are 3 Winifred May's born in London between 1903 and 1906 -

Births Mar 1905 (>99%)
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Jones Winifred May Mile End 1c 434
Jones Winifred May St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 487

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Births Sep 1905 (>99%)
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Jones Winifred May Fulham 1a 242

Do you know which one is yours? Do you have her birth cert?