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Flick,
I often get my age slightly wrong now! If asked my husbands age I have to work it out, a mistake one year either way is easy to make!
Katie

Kath............

No probs...........I was just verifying.............rhetorical question, really
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The child John in that record in 8 months old

Katie..........

As his wife outlived him, one would assume that she registered his death, or, at the very least, gave the info to the person who did.

I agree Flick, he would have known his age at marriage but the person reporting his death might have easily got it wrong.
Katie

Sorry Flick - this 1911 census has been posted before. I was just concentrating on the address rather than the family. Sorry.

Kath. x

This birth looks a better bet.....................IF the age at marriage is accurate

Births Dec 1910 (>99%)
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FISHER John Sunderland 10a 663

Can we get one thing sorted out?

Are we all searching for Fisher/Thompson based purely on the Dec 1911 birth reg'n which is probably not even the right JOHN FISHER?

Is there one other shred of evidence to support the idea that John's mother's maiden name was Thompson?

Isn't that the 1911 that was posted before?

Not sure whether or not this is relevant but I was going through the other numbers in Wear Street in case the Usher family had moved about in the same street (some of my lot did this regularly) and I came across a Fisher family so thought I would give you the details - although I don't think the John there can be the one you are looking for as he is too young:-

474 FISHER, Richard Head Married M 40 1871 Dock Labour Timber Yard Sunderland Durham

474 FISHER, Mary Jane Wife Married 15 years F 33 1878 Sunderland Durham

474 FISHER, Mary Ann Daughter F 14 1897 Sunderland Durham

474 FISHER, Richard Son M 12 1899 School Hartlepool Durham

474 FISHER, John Alfred Son M 9 1902 School Hartlepool Durham

474 FISHER, Margrate Wharton Daughter F 8 1903 School Hartlepool Durham

474 FISHER, Frances Daughter F 5 1906 School Hartlepool Durham

474 FISHER, Edward Wharton Son M 3 1908 School Hartlepool Durham

474 FISHER, John Son M 0 1911 Sunderland Durham

Address:
27 Wear Street Sunderland

Reference:
RG14PN30203 RG78PN1741 RD555 SD2 ED22 SN474

Kath. x

Sorry for the delay.

27 Henry Street is occupied by a family called Scott, another family called Maisey, another called Farrell and a family called Watson.

31 Wear Street has a family called Ford, another called Fowler, another called Lamb and a family called Bell.

Unfortunately no Fishers.

Kath. x

If the earlier birth is correct then this is the parents' marriage

Marriages Dec 1895
Fisher Richard Sunderland 10a 865
Macklin Mary Jane Sunderland 10a 865

If John's age is correct on the marriage cert he must have been born by Feb 1911.
Katie

So John was born between 24th Feb 1910 and 23rd Feb 1911, which means that the Dec qtr 1911 birth isn't his, unless the age he declared was not accurate.

A 'deceased' father could have been made up....................

Who witnessed the marriage?

Kathleen know its a long shot but if you could please check

27 henry street sunderland

31 wear street north sunderland

thanks
christine
x

You can search the 1911 census by address. Which address would you like me to look for?

Kath. x

hi again all ..

been today and got the mariage cert of my grandparents which gives the info as follows:-
23.2.1935
john fisher 24yrs ..bachelor..shipyard labourer..27 henry st sunderland. father john fisher (deceased) dock labourer
elizabeth usher 24yrs ..spinster..31 wear street north sunderland.. father edward usher..shipyard labourer.
easy enough ?? but then i find that there was no electoral role in that year to see if john had any siblings !!!!!

i found both deaths today john died 11.8.1952 aged 40 and elizabeth died 26.12.1955 aged 47
any idea where i can go from here for more info on john ? can you search the 1911 census by streets or just names ?

christine
x

thanks holly ..

will note them for when i get his marriage and birth certs ..

lv c x

hi flick .. thaks for looking for me

my mam who is sadly no longer with us gave me the info of est dates etc..as she was brought up with extended family due to both parents dying when she was young .
i have managed to trace johns wifes side of the family (USHER) but kept just coming up stck with john (FISHER)and his side .

just printed off a form from the sunderland website to order their marraige cert.

lv c x

For info ONLY

Name: John Fisher
Death Registration Month/Year: 1952 (JAS)
Age at death (estimated): 40
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 1a
Page: 776

Are you 100% SURE that the birth reg'n you have quoted is CORRECT?


These are post-1911 births in Sunderland with the surname combination you give......not necessarily siblings, of course.

Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
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Fisher John Thompson Sunderland 10a 1386


Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
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Fisher Wilfred H Thompson Sunderland 10a 1604

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Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
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FISHER Catherine Thompson Sunderland 10a 1498

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Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
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Fisher Letetia J Thompson Sunderland 10a 1228

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Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
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Fisher Edward Thompson Sunderland 10a 1581

Just in case.........


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Richard Fisher
Name: Richard Fisher
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Sunderland
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 738


1901 England Census
about Richard Fisher
Name: Richard Fisher
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary J Fisher
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Hartlepool
Ecclesiastical parish: Hartlepool St Hilda
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Hartlepool
Sub-registration district: Hartlepool
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 114
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Fisher 30 (Dock Labourer)
Mary J Fisher 23
Mary A Fisher 4
Richard Fisher 2


1891 England Census
about Richard Fisher
Name: Richard Fisher
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Mary Ann Fisher
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: St Johns
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Fisher 54 (Widow)
Richard Fisher 20
William Fisher 12


1881 England Census
about Richard Fisher
Name: Richard Fisher
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Fisher
Mother's name: Mary Ann Fisher
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: 26 Silver St
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: East Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Fisher 40
Mary Ann Fisher 40
Frances Fisher 14
Richard Fisher 10
Alice Fisher 8
William Fisher 2