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Marriages Sep 1907
> Bevans Florence Ann W.Ham 4a 19
RAYMENT Charles James W. Ham 4a 19
ROGERS Edith Florence W. Ham 4a 19
WILSON Ernest Frederick W. Ham 4a 19

These births seem a tad late, and I don't see a Charles and Flor* Rayment couple in 1911, but there is no other Bevans-Rayment marriage:

Births Mar 1920
Rayment James C Bevans W.Ham 4a 472
Births Sep 1922
Rayment Daisy Bevans W.Ham 4a 335
Births Sep 1924
Rayment John W Bevans W.Ham 4a 383

Name: Florence Annie Rayment
Birth Date: 21 Jan 1888 - should be c1884 for our Florrie
Death Registration Month/Year: 1969
Registration district: Thurrock
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 2979

There is no Florence Ann/ie Bev* birth 1882-1889 in London/Essex.

Births Dec 1887 ??
Bevan Florence Annie J Chepstow 11a 8

edit - no - this is that one in 1891 in Monmouthshire

John Bevan 32
Lizie Bevan 28
George Ernest Hopkins Bevan 5
Florence Annie Jame Bevan 3
Willie John Bevan 1

Not too sure they got the ages right though

john 29 married 5
bill 27>>>>>>>>7
florrie 29>>>>>>4
m\ry ann 21>>>>3
George 29 widower 9
robert 19 single

jax

Huh being nice to me now then JC lol

Yikes -- can you copy that for us, jax? how long each surviving child had been married, which one was widowed?

I only ask because you are soooo nice. ;)

So that's where the list Robert gave at the beginning came from. Got it!



I have been searching and searching in 1891 for any of them, and for births, to absolutely no avail.

I tend more and more to think that the older children were children of Elizabeth -- and am waiting w/ bated breath for the info about her name. ;)

I see from the image which you have seen they have named all nine surviving children even though they were not living there. Also saying how long each one had been married and in one case they were widowed

jax

Genes link not much good when you dont use their records I'm affraid

1911 census - household transcription
Person: BEVANS, George
Address: 3 Mountesquieu St Canning Town E


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BEVANS, George Husband Married M 50 1861 Dock Labour Barkfield EX VIEW
BEVANS, Lizzie Wife Married
29 years F 48 1863 West Ham EX VIEW
BEVANS, Jimmy Son M 13 1898 West Ham EX VIEW
BEVANS, Jessie Son M 11 1900 West Ham EX VIEW
BEVANS, Edward Son M 7 1904 West Ham EX VIEW



and yes janey I have noticed you have given the free version

I meant the list of all 9 of the children? My search
(free, at http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx)
only turned up the ones I listed.

The 1901 is surely the same family.

George Bevens 41
Elizabeth Bevens 39
Mary A Bevens 11
Robert Bevens 6
James Bevens 3
Jesse Bevens 6 Months
(no older children with them)

-- btw, the 1901 image actually says Canning Town, not Cannington -- but all of the Bevens household are "ditto" to someone two names above theirs. I would doubt the accuracy.

What does the 1911 say for their birthplaces?


This George in 1881 is a dock labourer, but old:

Name: George Bevan
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Bevan
Mother's name: Flora Bevan
Where born: Deptford, Kent, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Street address: 5 Charlotte St

James Bevan 58 - dock labourer
Flora Bevan 58
George Bevan 29



Just can't spot your George for definite in any year before 1901.


You saw that James Robert's birth was registered as BEVINS?

hi all

Right here goes we found that list of names in the 1911 census
below is a link to the 1911 entry that we have been looking at:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/records/srzoomer.aspx?key=2557922&ff_type=51&srchkey=16275026

We have seen the entry in 1901 spelt Bevens and believe that they are the same family...

George Bevans - in 1911 census states he was a Dock labourer.

My nephew came up with the Wilson link --I have just rung him to look and come back to me to let me know where he got it... Will post that bit as soon as I know

Thank you everyone

Ah, the spellings. ;)

Births Jun 1898
Bevins James Robert W. Ham 4a 150


The household in 1911 in West Ham

BEVANS GEORGE 1861
BEVANS LIZZIE 1863
BEVANS JESSIE 1900
BEVANS JIMMY 1898
BEVANS EDWARD

from OP: "records say 12 chilren born, 9 still living"
and you give this list:

john 1882
george1882
bill1884
flossie?1888
maryann1890
robert 1894
jimmy 1898
jessie 1900
edward 1904


Robert, what is George's occupation in 1911?

And can you say where that list of children came from?

(and don't forget: where does the name Wilson for Elizabeth come from?)


The 1901 census has

George Bevens 41
Elizabeth Bevens 39
Mary A Bevens 11
Robert Bevens 6
James Bevens 3
Jesse Bevens 6 Months

and I can't find them in 1891 ...

Sending Robert the Bevans-News* births from FreeBMD and Ancestry and the Bevans-Woolf births ... and suggesting he take out a 14-day free trial sub at Ancestry to do more searching for all these people!

But first, exhaust what you might be able to find at FreeBMD.


This is the marriage for the 1861 household:

Marriages Sep 1852
BEVANS George Edward Pancras 1b 23
Jones Frances Pancras 1b 23

but I'm thinking the 3-yr-old George in that household is still the wrong one, the one I tracked in later years.


So many things about this family just don't add up!

Can you please explain where the name Elizabeth *Wilson* comes from?

"parents and siblings of george bevans born 1861 barkfield, married elizabeth wilson born 1863,they married in 1881/2"

There's no such marriage, and I can't find such a couple in 1891.

I can't find the birth of a Mary A Bev* to fit 1889-1891 (she is 11 in 1901).

I'm suspecting that she, at least, was a child of Elizabeth's before she married / partnered with George.

There's this birth ...

Births Mar 1889
Wilson Mary Ann W. Ham 4a 32

There's no marriage of a George Bev* to an Elizabeth Wilson (barring transcription errors) 1875-1911.


We have to figure out who George Bevans was before we can identify and try to trace his siblings. ;)

Hi jax,many many thanks for your previous input,what i'm after are the parents and siblings of George Bevans/Bevens family,previously posted 1861 canning town/westham area, i sure there are things i'm overlooking being new to all this,need a fresh pair of eyes,lol,but i'll keep plugging away,
would i be right in thinking Newham records office,would be the place to contact with reguards to what i'm looking for,
Any pointers would be greatly appreciated,many thanks Rob.

What is it you are trying to find? there has been a lot of info given already, not sure if it is what you are looking for

jax

Still having trouble finding George Bevans (Bevens)
- parents and siblings

If anyone can help it would be much appreciated!!!

Quick update,james robert bevans son,

james bevans my uncle,born 1925/?

married hazel?, 1951/52?

they had four children,
i do know who the children are,but would prefer pm,

hope this helps,take care Rob.

Hi all,just a quick update ,George Bevans 1861 barkfield Ex,guessing Ex stands for Essex,and it should be barking,thanks jex.
Checking on the marriage of George to Elizabeth wilson,

marriage of james robert bevans to ada caroline newsom
married st lukes church westham,victoria docks,november 23th 1919
james 22yrs
ada 18yrs

fathers

george bevans,3 menton st, labourer
william richard newsom,37 shirley st, labourer

i know from chatting to family members james an ada moved to shirley st once married,thats about it for now,hope it helps,take care Rob.

thanks to all for the feedback,got plenty to sleep on for tonight lol,so it's bed for me,hopefully catch up tom',many,many thanks,Rob x.

I just assumed that to be Canning Town.


Interesting coincidence in 1891, in Chingford, Essex:

George E S Bevans 33 - born London, Surrey
Phillippa M Bevans 34
Ernest L Bevans 5
Elizabeth Newson 26 - servant


but the 1891 George is an Underwriter, while the 1901 one, who seems to be correct, is a Lighterman (Barge).


Aha, here is Catherine's 1861 George:

Births Dec 1857
Bevans George Ernest Camberwell 1d 455


But no, that's the other George -- in 1881 he is an insurance clerk in Camberwell:

George E. L. Bevans 48
Frances Bevans 50
George E. L. Bevans 23
Edward S.T. Bevans 27
Marianne E. Bevans 25
Alfred H. Bevans 21
William H. Bevans 18
Eleanor Bevans 15
Ethel M. Bevans 12
Herbert J.N. Marshall 19

Ok Camberwell:
1861

Name: George E Bevans
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's name: George E Bevans
Mother's name: Frances Bevans
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
George E Bevans 28
Frances Bevans 30
Edward S S Bevans 7
Marianne E Bevans 5
George E Bevans 3
Alfred H Bevans 1
Maria E Bevans 21
Jane Martin 17

Going to retire for the night, this may or may not be the right George.

Catherine

I'm from the West Ham area is cannington Canning Town? never heard of Barkfield or is it Barking?

jax

Catherine, the only Barkfield google is finding me in the UK is Barkfield Lane in Liverpool. ;)