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Thanks i'll look into doing that.
gerald.

Gerald there are no births that match that. You really need her marriage cert if you are serious about tracing the family.

(Never pay more than £9 25 for a cert)

Again the name was given the name Thomas as Sarahs maiden name verbally but it could be wrong I found the above marriage searching Free b.m.d.
Gerald

I was verbally given the name Sarah Francis Williams and the date 14th February 1898, by a member of the family but they did dither a
bout the year, so it looks like I may be on the wrong track altogether.
Sarah F Williams married Thomas Owen Pemberton in 3rd quarter of 1921 at Toxteth P ark L iverpool 1921 this is the only definite fact I seem to have.Gerald

Gerald is the surname Thomas from the birth cert of Sarah? If not where from.

I looked again at the 1911 for the family in Anglesey with wife Maggie,

Next to Elizabeth Roberts is actually written step mother in law and then the step is crossed out

Sorry so long in answering if I have the correct marriageit was
Mary Ann Thomas 1889 Liverpool Lancashire
John Richard Williams 1889 Liverpool Lancashire
(1837-1934)


Regards Gerald

by the way I think you will see that his place of birth in 1901 is a mistranscription

it should be : Llanfechell (Amlwch, Anglesey)

and Cemais is actually spelled Cemaes

Gerald if you are about, where did you get the name Sarah Francis Williams born 1898, Anglesey?
I cna't see a birth that matches that name at all.

I found this marriage:

Marriages Jun 1893
Hatton Hannah Toxteth Park 8b 469
>>Roberts Mary Ann Toxteth Park 8b 469
Scott James Toxteth Park 8b 469
>>Williams John Richard Toxteth Park 8b 469

John and his wife Mary Ann are in Toxteth in 1901 with a 3 yr old daughter Sarah (see above)

Do we have this? getting a bit mixed up!

1901 England Census

Name: John Richd Williams
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Danfcchell, Anglesey, Wales

Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park

John Richd Williams 36
Mary Ann Williams 36
Sarah Williams 3
Ellen Cross 33
Walter Cross 27

Just one more angle! When did they marry?
jan

Thought you had cracked it then thanks all for trying I'll have to admit defeat on that one.

Thanks,just found it too. Red herring,then. Darn.

Maureen
PS- Had to laugh,the head of house on that one (his name is on the image,but crossed out is a marine engineer!)

there doesn't appear to be a 74 only the one that Jan found above.

Can't see anyone no. 74, this family no. 76:

WILLIAMS, Margaret Ann Head Married F 37 1874 Aberystwyth Cardigans VIEW
WILLIAMS, Kenneth Philip Son M 4 1907 Aberystwyth Cardigans VIEW
WILLIAMS, Vera Collins Daughter F 2 1909 Liverpool VIEW
COLLINS, Elizabeth Visitor Widow F 66 1845 Aberystwyth Cardigans VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22296 Reference:
RG14PN22296 RG78PN1317 RD454 SD4 ED18 SN320

Registration District:
Toxteth Park Sub District:
Toxteth Park East Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Toxteth Park

Address:
76 Allington St Aigburth Road Liverpool County:
Lancashire

Hi Maureen, 65 Allington Street is there but not found 74 yet

Thankyou Jennifer ,food for thought.
Regards Gerald

Argh! This is so annoying! The Williams family in 1901 are living at 74 Allington St Toxteth Park. I've been trying to find it in 1911 just in case and I can't.
Fine.
But what's driving me up the wall is from Ancestry:
1911 England Census Summary Books about Miss Williams
Name: Miss Williams
Number of Males: 1
Number of Females: 3
Household schedule number: 320
Street address: 76 Allington Street
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: Toxteth Park St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Registration District Number: 4
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park East
Sub-Registration District Number: 4
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Source Citation: Class: RG78; Piece: 1317

I'd really like to see that entry but it's escaping me entirely.
Edit: By "that entry" I mean the corresponding one on FMP or similar.)
Anyone????

Maureen

Thanks Gerald for that.

It seems odd that there should be 2 John Williams , both from Anglesey, both similar age and both Marine engineers.

I wonder if he had 2 families??

In 1901 the Maggie Williams, child and mother Elizabeth Roberts that Jan found are in Anglesey but John is not with them.

but there is that other one in Toxteth with Mary Ann and child Sarah.

Jennifer

Sorry i am new to this and am very grateful for all the help I have received.Perhaps i'll get the hang of it as Igo along. I hope Ihaven't offended anyone.
Regards Gerald.