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Joe

Joe Report 30 Jan 2011 11:04

Sue C, thank you, the age is right on that for Charlotte, even if the place is unfamilar ground for our family, is it possible to have a maiden name for her for this marriage?

It can't be the same Charlotte who William Henry was married to in the 1881 census, ( I'm thinking) because she was born in Manchester not Lincolnshire..

Thanks again.

Joe

Joe Report 30 Jan 2011 10:41


" If you mean this death in 1909:
Deaths Mar 1909
MORRIS Charlotte 50 Prestwich 8d 342
she is 24 in the 1881 census, and 47 in the 1901 census
so some dispute over age.
Have you actually checked the image to see if it is not 50 but possibly mis-transcribed through various reasons? (Sorry, I cannot read it at the moment as something is playing up and I have a mirror image of the page) "

Yes Patchem thanks I do mean the one above.

And yes the 1901 census entry two posts up from this is the correct one for her.

However Charlotte does not appear on the 1891 census, but does on the 1881 census , and it seems they have had several chidlren by 1901, some of whom have left home and married, some who have died.

I'm a bit shocked that official death records might be based on the mistaken information of an informant who might not even know the woman.

Thanks all.

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 29 Jan 2011 23:15

it is definitely age 50 on the index

but as you say the age given is only as good as the informant knows
for extra info see

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/records_office/thread/1256826

patchem

patchem Report 29 Jan 2011 22:04

I was assuming this family:
1901 England Census
William Hy Morris
Age: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1853 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Charlotte Morris Gender: Male Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: North Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Beswick and Bradford Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Registration district: Prestwich Sub-registration district: Newton ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Household schedule number: 41

William Hy Morris 48
Charlotte Morris 47
James Morris 16 Openshaw
Hannah Morris 12 Openshaw
John Morris 6 Bradford

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3762; Folio: 8; Page: 7.

patchem

patchem Report 29 Jan 2011 22:00

If you mean this death in 1909:
Deaths Mar 1909
MORRIS Charlotte 50 Prestwich 8d 342
she is 24 in the 1881 census, and 47 in the 1901 census
so some dispute over age.
Have you actually checked the image to see if it is not 50 but possibly mis-transcribed through various reasons? (Sorry, I cannot read it at the moment as something is playing up and I have a mirror image of the page)

tempest

tempest Report 29 Jan 2011 21:59

is this her on 1901 census?

Address: 202, Radcliffe Street, Oldham

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

BUCKNALL, John Head Widower M 63 1838 Skip Maker Wirksworth Derbyshire
BUCKNALL, Frank Son Single M 27 1874 Textile Machine Fitter Oldham Lancashire
MORRIS, Charlotte Servant Widow F 46 1855 Housekeeper (Domestic) Gedney Lincolnshire

patchem

patchem Report 29 Jan 2011 21:33

Do you want us to check her family on the 1911 census to see if she is still alive?

And, yes, they can get the date wrong.

Joe

Joe Report 29 Jan 2011 21:28

I'm having problems locating my great great grandma Charlotte Morris ( nee Bowcock in 1855), and must have died somewhere in or around Manchester between 1901 and 1920.
I've searched all the death records but only turned up one possible match, in 1910, but the age is given as 50 and she should be 54 or 55.

Is it possible for them to get the age wrong? Is it possible that someone accompanying a dead person to hospital or the morgue might not know the exact age of the person they are taking and give the authorities the wrong age? In my case, is it possible that the person who accompanied my great great gran could have said " she's 50" thinking she is about 50 years old, but not knowing exactly, and would they take this as proof of her age?

Or am I living in cloud cuckoo land? :-)