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Can someone please confirm this is Hannah?

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Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Jan 2011 12:10

There are two births of a Hannah Morris for 1889.

Hannah Morris 1889 Jan-Feb-Mar Lancashire

Hannah Morris 1889 Oct-Nov-Dec Lancashire

If you buy her birth cert and ask for the one with the mothers name of Charlotte that may help.

I can't find Charlotte in Criminal Registers to find what she did or how long her sentance was.

Joe

Joe Report 31 Jan 2011 12:07

"Babies in Prison
Babies Cot

Jottings from Jail Notes and Papers on Prison Matters 1887 by Rev. J W Horsley Chaplain of Her Majesty's Prison Clerkenwell.

"People probably do not picture babies in prison, but this is the second I have christened this month."

Thanks Mel

I have found several articles on the internet about Baby Wards in Victorian prisons, it seems to have been the norm.

It seems the entry for 9-month old Hannah in Strangeways is correct.
Her mother Charlotte Morris was there at the same time, aged 36, as you note.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Jan 2011 11:57

Char lte Morris 36 married page 32

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Jan 2011 11:51

Also a Mary Morris page 35

Bridget Morris p 32 single and 14

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Jan 2011 11:49

There are 39 pages of prisoners on that census but a couple of pages back is an S A Morris who is a widow so she may have been her baby.

Joe

Joe Report 31 Jan 2011 11:48

Yes, Holly, that's them.

But Hannah is missing off the 1891 census, as is her mother Charlotte.

We found Charlotte in Strangeways prison, and today I found a reference to a 9-month old girl called Hannah Morris, in the same location, and as far as I can see, in the same prison.

Just wondering if this is possible and whether female prisoners could / would have their babies either with them or in care in the prison?

Cheers.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 31 Jan 2011 11:45

1891 England Census
about Hannah Morris Name: Hannah Morris
Age: 9/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Prisoner
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Cheetham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Albans
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Prestwich
Sub-registration district: Cheetham
ED, institution, or vessel: Strangeways Prison

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 31 Jan 2011 11:20

Is this the family in 1901 ??


1901 England Census
about Hannah Morris
Name: Hannah Morris
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Hy Morris
Mother's name: Charlotte Morris
Gender: Female
Where born: Openshaw, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: North Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Beswick and Bradford Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Prestwich
Sub-registration district: Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hy Morris 48
Charlotte Morris 47
James Morris 16
Hannah Morris 12
John Morris 6

Joe

Joe Report 31 Jan 2011 10:17


Thanks to all who helped me locate my great-great-grandma Charlotte Morris in Strangeways prison, Cheetham Hill Manchester, in 1891.

Charlotte Morris's 's new born baby Hannah Morris was also missing off the 1891 census , along with her mother.

I have found an entry for a 9-month old baby called Hannah Morris in the same Cheetham District of Manchester.

Is it possible that she could have been kept in prison with her mother?

Does anyone know what the procedure was for female prisoners with new born babies?

Is it possible Hannah could have been born in prison?

Thank you.