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Can anyone help! new to this. I am trying to find out the names of my grandma's parents, grandma was called Ethel Rogers and was born on 29th September 1899 in Newport, Wales. She married a George Hobbs also born in 1899 who lived in Chepstow. They married in 1920 and on the marriage certificate it gives William Rogers as deceased father (occupation gardener). I can locate my grandad's side of the family but having no luck with my grandma!

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards

ll have a look n the 1911 and see what I can find

so far this is the only 1 coming up

Address: Draythan Lower Machen Newport Mon
County: Glamorganshire

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ROGERS, Edward Head Widower M 71 1840 Farm Labour Grosmont

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ROGERS, Laura Daughter Single F 39 1872 At Home Herefordshire

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>>ROGERS, Ethel Granddaughter F 11 1900 At School Newport

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ROGERS, Wallace Son Married M 28 1883 Tinplate Worker In Mills In Monmouthshire

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ROGERS, Rachel Daughter In Law Married
2 years F 23 1888 Glamorganshire

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ROGERS, Rose Isabelle Granddaughter F 2 1909 Glamorganshire

Thank you very much, I now wonder who Ethel's father may be? also is there anything to say Laura married and when she died? Kind regards

this is the same family in 1901

Name: Ethel Rogers
Age in 1901: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Michaelston Y Vedw, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Llanvedw
Ecclesiastical parish: Michaelston y Fedw
Town: Llanvedw
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Llandaff
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Rogers 59
Emily Rogers 58
Wallace Rogers 18
Rosie Rogers 16
Ethel Rogers 1

I think you would have to get the birth cert for any more information.

this looks like her birth:

Name: Ethel Rogers
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 178


Certs are available for the GRO (never pay more than £9 25)

http://www.col.statistics.gov.uk/

Laura Rogers is away from home in 1901:

Name: Laura Rogers
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Herefordshire, England

Civil Parish: Leyton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Leyton
County/Island: Essex
Country: England


Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: North Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 229
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph E L Black 30
Mary R Black 29
Charles L Black 2
Joseph E L Black 1
Eliza Johnstone 22
>>Laura Rogers 27

It is aslo possible Julie, that Ethel is Laura's daughter, born out of Wedlock.

Thankyou, now this may fit with a birth certificate I got recently it was for a Laura Rogers and she gave birth to Ethel Rogers in September 1899 in the Newport Union Workhouse, but no name of father on the certifiicate, hence that is what has thrown me as on my grandma Ethel's certificate it gave deceased father as William Rogers! and so I thought I had the wrong birth certificate, however maybe not! Do you know if I can find anything out with regard to newport workhouse and if indeed Ethels father was William how could I track his death record?

There is no date of birth on Ethels birth cert for her mum Laura but on the information you have given for the census it shows as Laura's birth year 1872, could I trace her death certificate from that date? Kind regards

Marriages Mar 1909 (>99%)
JAMES Rachel Cardiff 11a 578
ROGERS Wallace John Cardiff 11a 578

Possible for Laura's birth (she says birthplace is Herefordshire on one of the census):-

Name: Laura Ann Rogers
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Hereford
County: Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester, Monmouthshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 502

It is also possible that Ethel "made up" a father's name when she married as there was a stigma to illegitimacy in those days and lots of illegitimate children invented a father to save face with the new in-laws.

Kath. x

Julie I think you may have to accept that the name of William Rogers as her father was made up to 'save face'.


Women gave birth in the Workhouse because it was a safe place for unsupported women, they were not necessarily in as Inmates. My gt grandmother gave birth to her first child in the Workhouse when she was unmarried.


You could try to find Laura's death, I had a quick look but unfortunately it is a fairly commom name

This is possibly Laura's bith entry...

Births Dec 1871 (>99%)
Rogers Laura Ann Hereford 6a 502

If the birth in Herefordshire is correct then this could be a possible marriage:-

Name: Laura A Rogers
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's: Charles C. Ward
District: Fulham
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 576

and POSSIBLE death:-

Name: Laura A Ward
Death Registration Month/Year: 1954
Age at death (estimated): 74
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5e
Page: 278

Kath. x

Julie, i doubt very much that William Rogers (With the same surname!) is the father of Ethel. The name was more than likely added to the birth certificate to save embarressment.

this looks like her in 1881, she is again away from home working as a servant in 1891

Name: Laura Rogers
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Edwin Rogers
Mother's name: Emma Rogers
Gender: Female
Where born: Kentchurch, Hereford, England


Street address: Penland Cottages
Education:

Registration district: Hereford
Sub-registration district: Kentchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Rogers 38
Emma Rogers 38
Sydney Rogers 15
Etheldra Rogers 13
Emily Rogers 11
>>>Laura Rogers 9
Elizth. Rogers 7
Alfred Rogers 5
Clara Rogers 3
Wm. Rogers 1

the marriage that Kathleen found is on London Records and Laura Agnes Rogers is only 23 yrs old born c 1889

Just to make it clearer....


Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Edwin ROGERS Head M Male 38 Grosmont, Monmouth, England Gamekeeper
Emma ROGERS Wife M Female 38 Kilpeck, Hereford, England Gamekeeper Wife
Sydney ROGERS Son U Male 15 Grosmont, Monmouth, England Gardener
Etheldra ROGERS Dau Female 13 Kentchurch, Hereford, England Scholar
Emily ROGERS Dau Female 11 Kentchurch, Hereford, England Scholar
Laura ROGERS Dau Female 9 Kentchurch, Hereford, England Scholar
Elizth. ROGERS Dau Female 7 Ewyas Harold, Hereford, England Scholar
Alfred ROGERS Son Male 5 Ewyas Harold, Hereford, England Scholar
Clara ROGERS Dau Female 3 Ewyas Harold, Hereford, England
Wm. ROGERS Son Male 1 Ewyas Harold, Hereford, England

Source Information:
Dwelling Penland Cottages
Census Place Ewyas Harold, Hereford, England

Thank you for all your help, it does make sense that Ethel was born illegitimate, but my aunt who is 88 says up to the age of about 10 she used to visit a bakers in Newport and called the owners her grandma and grandad! Sadly my father passed away suddenly following a fall just before Christmas aged 81, and I know from him that his mum Ethel went into the Abergavenny hospital in 1934 with what we now know as Post natal depression, the awful thing about this is that my dads father told the kids that she had died in 1934 when in fact she had not. (this was around the time my aunt was told she would not be visiting her grandparents again at the bakery) My father received a letter late 1980 to say his mother Ethel had died at the hospital aged 81 and you can imagine the shock! sorry to be going on but the mystery now of who the people were in the bakery in Newport is intriguing to say the least, I guess if I could find a marriage that may help, the one from Kath shows a Laura marrying someone from London and not Wales but I guess that could be possible, or if I can locate Laura;s death then the certificate may have some information. All your help is much appreciated. Kind regards Julie