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Hi Julie thanks for your message, I have registered on the website and put the details on the forum, fingers crossed something will come of it. Kind regards julie

Thankyou Rutland Belle will follow up what you suggest., if you think of anything else please let me know. Kind regards Julie

Julie. Have a look at this site:

http://www.abertillery.net/oldabertillery/memories.html

Someone by the name of Hemmens talks about his grandfather working at the bakery in Hill St although he doesn't give dates. Scroll down the page to find his post.

There is a forum on the site so you could try asking there.

Good luck

Another Julie

well it was 1930 so I doubt they will still be there. You would have to have an Electoral Roll search to get any more names or find the local paper and put a letter in

thankyou for all your help, Would you know how or if I can trace the owners listed as rogers at the bakery in abertillery that you found in the phone book? kind regards Julie

Julie you can't access Electoral Rolls on line. Historic ones are kept at the nearest large library.They are only searchable by address

You would have to google for that and then contact the local Studies officer.

Some will do for free if it takes less than half hour, some charge, as you have a street address shouldn't be too difficult

good luck

Thankyou, that is interesting about the bakery at abertillery, would you know how I could trace who lived there at that time? I wonder if it was Laura's parents or brother who had the bakers shop? and my aunt nan were just told it was her grandma and grandad? I also have found out that my grandma Ethel came out of the abergavenny hospital in 1956 until 1959 as a voluntary patient and lived in chepstow during that time on Howells Row. do you know if or where I can access electoral records for those years in that area on line? she went back into the hospital in 1959. kind regards Julie

Julie what an awful story about your grandmother.

Just out of interest I looked on the Ancestry Phone books for 1930 and though I coudn't find anything in Newport there is a Rogers Bakery at Hill St, in Abertillery which is north of Newport

1871 England Census
about Edwin Rogers
Name: Edwin Rogers
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma Rogers
Gender: Male
Where born: Grosmont, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Kentchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Archenfield
Town: Kentchurch
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hereford
Sub-registration district: Kentchurch
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Rogers 28
Emma Rogers 28
Sidney Rogers 5
Atheldia Rogers 3
Emily Rogers 1

Julie I don't think that the marriage in London is connected to you, the full cert is on Ancestry on the London Records

I dont think the death entry for 1954 tie's in with her age!

Thank you for all your help, it does make sense that Ethel was born illegitimate, but my aunt who is 88 says up to the age of about 10 she used to visit a bakers in Newport and called the owners her grandma and grandad! Sadly my father passed away suddenly following a fall just before Christmas aged 81, and I know from him that his mum Ethel went into the Abergavenny hospital in 1934 with what we now know as Post natal depression, the awful thing about this is that my dads father told the kids that she had died in 1934 when in fact she had not. (this was around the time my aunt was told she would not be visiting her grandparents again at the bakery) My father received a letter late 1980 to say his mother Ethel had died at the hospital aged 81 and you can imagine the shock! sorry to be going on but the mystery now of who the people were in the bakery in Newport is intriguing to say the least, I guess if I could find a marriage that may help, the one from Kath shows a Laura marrying someone from London and not Wales but I guess that could be possible, or if I can locate Laura;s death then the certificate may have some information. All your help is much appreciated. Kind regards Julie

Just to make it clearer....


Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Edwin ROGERS Head M Male 38 Grosmont, Monmouth, England Gamekeeper
Emma ROGERS Wife M Female 38 Kilpeck, Hereford, England Gamekeeper Wife
Sydney ROGERS Son U Male 15 Grosmont, Monmouth, England Gardener
Etheldra ROGERS Dau Female 13 Kentchurch, Hereford, England Scholar
Emily ROGERS Dau Female 11 Kentchurch, Hereford, England Scholar
Laura ROGERS Dau Female 9 Kentchurch, Hereford, England Scholar
Elizth. ROGERS Dau Female 7 Ewyas Harold, Hereford, England Scholar
Alfred ROGERS Son Male 5 Ewyas Harold, Hereford, England Scholar
Clara ROGERS Dau Female 3 Ewyas Harold, Hereford, England
Wm. ROGERS Son Male 1 Ewyas Harold, Hereford, England

Source Information:
Dwelling Penland Cottages
Census Place Ewyas Harold, Hereford, England

the marriage that Kathleen found is on London Records and Laura Agnes Rogers is only 23 yrs old born c 1889

this looks like her in 1881, she is again away from home working as a servant in 1891

Name: Laura Rogers
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Edwin Rogers
Mother's name: Emma Rogers
Gender: Female
Where born: Kentchurch, Hereford, England


Street address: Penland Cottages
Education:

Registration district: Hereford
Sub-registration district: Kentchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Rogers 38
Emma Rogers 38
Sydney Rogers 15
Etheldra Rogers 13
Emily Rogers 11
>>>Laura Rogers 9
Elizth. Rogers 7
Alfred Rogers 5
Clara Rogers 3
Wm. Rogers 1

Julie, i doubt very much that William Rogers (With the same surname!) is the father of Ethel. The name was more than likely added to the birth certificate to save embarressment.

If the birth in Herefordshire is correct then this could be a possible marriage:-

Name: Laura A Rogers
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's: Charles C. Ward
District: Fulham
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 576

and POSSIBLE death:-

Name: Laura A Ward
Death Registration Month/Year: 1954
Age at death (estimated): 74
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5e
Page: 278

Kath. x

This is possibly Laura's bith entry...

Births Dec 1871 (>99%)
Rogers Laura Ann Hereford 6a 502

Julie I think you may have to accept that the name of William Rogers as her father was made up to 'save face'.


Women gave birth in the Workhouse because it was a safe place for unsupported women, they were not necessarily in as Inmates. My gt grandmother gave birth to her first child in the Workhouse when she was unmarried.


You could try to find Laura's death, I had a quick look but unfortunately it is a fairly commom name

Possible for Laura's birth (she says birthplace is Herefordshire on one of the census):-

Name: Laura Ann Rogers
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Hereford
County: Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester, Monmouthshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 502

It is also possible that Ethel "made up" a father's name when she married as there was a stigma to illegitimacy in those days and lots of illegitimate children invented a father to save face with the new in-laws.

Kath. x