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There are 4 trees on Ancestry with him in and 2 give Leeds as his birth place??One with his first wife and one with his second...Are all 4 trees yours Kathleen?

Name: John William Wales
Birth: June 1899 (Jun 1899) - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Death: June 1965 (Jun 1965) - London
Marriage: 13 Mar 1921 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Parents: William A Wales
Spouse: Dorothy May Philidelpia Baldwin


Name: John Wales
Birth: 1899 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Death: 1965 - Stockwell, England
Marriage: 13 Mar 1921 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Parents: William Wales
Spouse: Rhoda Georgina Hobbs

Hi Kathleen,

Do you know who your Grandfathers sisters ( Elizabeth and Lilian) married?

Was Robert older or younger than his brother John?


Dee x

Yes that is my Grandad. It's my tree. I have his marriage certs. I just cannot find a birth cert. or even a place of birth. I am at a family funeral on 16th Feb. I will talk to my Grandads eldest surviving Son Robert to try to get a correct birthday. My Grandad had 2 Sisters Older Elizabeth & Lilian and one brother Robert.

There is a tree on Ancestry which shows the marriage cert of John Wales to Dorothy Baldwin..(Dorothy died in 1925 and John Wales died in 1965 after a remarriage)
And this is given


John Wales father is given as William Wales ...General Labourer.

Witnesses are from Dorothys family.

John says he was aged 22 on it in 1921.


Going on Dee,s find on 1901 and ***Ann***s 1911 it may be that there was a change of name sometime between 1901 and 1911..(It happens)..and this may be John Wales / Wells birth?


Births Mar 1897
Wells John Wandsworth 1d 701

There are discrepencies with Williams age on 1911 and 1901 as well...So maybe John was not too sure of his birth year?

This is what the tree says for John Wales

Birth Dec 1899 in England Death June 1965 in South Western Hosp., Stockwell, Lambeth, Greater London, Surrey, England,

William T. Wale

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1866 — Bermondsey, Surrey, England
residence: Bermondsey, Surrey, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: William T. Wale
age: 15
gender: Male
birth year: 1866
birthplace: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
relationship to head of household: Son
profession / occupation: Clerk B S C Railway
address: 96 Alderminster Rd
census place: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341130
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 0570 / 92
page number:

Do you know when was your Grandfather's birthday, approximate time of year even?
Or, when did he die and where?
Thanks

1901 census to go with **Ann**'s 1911 census;

1901 England Census
about John Wells
Name: John Wells
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation: Son
Father's name: William J Wells
Mother's name: Elizth Wells
Gender: Male
Where born: Battersea

Civil Parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: Woodgate Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: East Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 379
Household Members: Name Age
William J Wells 38 >>> Bargeman, born Crayford, Kent
Elizth Wells 36 >>> Born Ireland
Mary Wells 8
John Wells 3



Dee x

Is this him???

1911 census - household transcription
Person: WALES, John
Address: 26 Belfour St Battersea

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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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WALES, William Head Married
25 years M 58 1853 Gas Stoker Crayford VIEW
WALES, Lizabeth Wife Married F 28 1883 New Market Cork VIEW
WALES, Mary Daughter Single F 18 1893 Ironer London Battersea VIEW
WALES, John Son Single M 13 1898 School London Battersea VIEW
CRANE, Michael Boarder Single M 28 1883 Carman London Battersea VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2167 Reference:
RG14PN2167 RG78PN74 RD26 SD1 ED24 SN290

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
East Battersea Enumeration District:
24 Parish:
Battersea

Address:
26 Belfour St Battersea County:
London



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Have you got a marriage certificate with occupations or any further information?
Any middle names?

Presumably this marriage:
Marriages Mar 1921
Baldwin Dorothy M Wales St.Olave 1d 371
Wales John Baldwin St.Olave 1d 371

Thanks

Was John born in Bermondsey too

John Wales born c1899. Father William Wales. Lived in Bermondsey in 1921. Unable to find birth cert for my Grandfather John Wales.