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what i,m looking for is a link to george frith. he was born in wallsend 1931/2 died 2003.his father born 1905@ died shiremoor 1951 He owned a butchers shop . HIS FATHER CALLED JAMES? FRITH WAS A SHIPS PAINTER

Hello Elaine, just to be clear:

George Frith 1931/2 - 2003 son of
?? Frith, a butcher 1905-1951 son of
James Frith -Ship's painter

So, you want us to fill in the gaps re: George's father's details and more info on James?

Are you just starting out on this or have you done any research already?

This is the only birth for George in the area around that time:

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Mar 1931

Frith George H Miller Tynemouth 10b 332

Miller is the mother's maiden name.

You can find this info for Free on FreeBMD - http://www.freebmd.org.uk

possible marriage of parents

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Geore Frith Name: Geore Frith
Spouse Surname: Miller
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1924
Registration district: Tynemouth
Registration county (inferred): Northumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 523

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Esther Miller Name: Esther Miller
Spouse Surname: Frith
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1924
Registration district: Tynemouth
Registration county (inferred): Northumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 523

Again on FreeBMD we can find the only marriage between a Frith and a Miller was this:

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1924

Frith George Miller Tynemouth 10b 523
Miller Esther Frith Tynemouth 10b 523

BUT - the only way to be 100% sure these are the right people is to check either the birth or marriage certificate of George b1931 to see what info is on regarding his parents.

The same way, getting a copy of George and Esther's 1924 marriage certificate will give their father's details.

This death confirms the 1905ish birth for the father:

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1951
FRITH George 45 Tynemouth 1b 775

thank you for info. you have the right people.what i was leading up to was the previous generation. george frith born 1931/2 is my uncle, george frith born 1905 died 1951 is grand father. great- grand father also george frith,where born,married and died,who did he marry?

not just startingout.but i was mis-informed of my grand-fathers birth place as he had two much older sisters in london so was,nt sure if he was born newcastle or london

Hello Elaine, I wonder if the family moved away from Newcastle after George was born 1905 as I haven't been able to find them in the North east in the 1911 census.

Can you tell me the names of the sisters, or any other family. That will help trace the family in 1911 and from that we'll be on the right track to go back over.

must of come back as he married esther miller at wallsend in 1924. all i know that the two older sisters never married and came from london for his funeral this why i,m stuck,sorry

I'll keep looking in the 1911, Elaine.

Meanwhile, you might want to get George born 1905's birth certificate to get all the information about his parents. Unfortunately, births before 1911 don't show the mother's maiden name in the index, just on the certificate itself.

I've a soft spot for Wallsend connections - husband's from there!

have got george frith died in north shields 7th march 1951 death certificate.chap at north shields says same george born 1905 born in newcastle area. newcastle is not been helpful but will keep trying/

Hello again Elaine, if you're getting no joy with the Civic Centre then why not just order it online from General Records Office (GRO) - http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

The cost is £9.25 inc postage - I believe North Shields charge about £10?

The references you need are:

Name: George Frith
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County: Northumberland, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10b
Page: 171

thank you, will try that

hi i have now got birth certificate for george frith born newcastle-on-tyne in 1905.thank you his fathers name is also george frith and mothers maiden name is ellen horrigan this george frith (1905) was born in byker, newcastle.have not been able to find out elder sisters names except i know they never married

Hi Elaine could you tell us the occupation of the father, any addresses etc on the 1905 birth cert please

george friths fathers occupation was ships painter(journeyman)address on birth certificate is 53 avondale road newcastle.
believe witness to george and esthers marrige in 1924 was ellen horrigan who is george friths born 1905, mother

Elaine - did Ellen actually sign her surname as Horrigan? Does that mean she never actually married George b1905's father?

That might explain why I've been struggling to find a marriage for her.

I've looked up the 1911 for 53 Avondale Road, Byker, Newcastle.

There is not a detailed return, but the enumerators list says "removed Sutcliffe"

In 1901 the address is occupied by the McEntee family