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thanks found about 35 william huxtables in the 1911 census and same no of marriages- have to sift through them to find unmarried ones since none of them is married to Susan Down.
Were off to England to celebrate eves birthday with our children in Bristol and or Southhampton

Hi

on the 1911 the surname is Huxtable (no "s")

here's the family in 1901

1901 census Address: 5, Coegnant Road Toncoed Row, Llangynwyd Higher, Maesteg

HUXTABLE, Wm Head Married M 27 1874 Colliery Blocklayer Berrynarbour Devonshire
HUXTABLE, Mary Maria Wife Married F 23 1878 Briely Hill Staffordshire
HUXTABLE, Eliza Jane Daughter Single F 2 1899 Maesteg Glamorganshire
HUXTABLE, Evan Henry Son Single M 1 1900 Maesteg Glamorganshire


hope you are off somewhere nice!!!

Hi Tempest ,When I searched for William Huxstable on 1911 and 1901 census on' Find my past 'I get 0 results.Tried address as well.
But I did find him in BMD. What am i doing wrong

None of my contacts know if the Hunstables had other children. Eve and Glynne wil be away from home for a few days-but will try to keep in touch thro internet cafes

I wonder if there is a record of their voyage to America as Hunstable/Hustable or Huxtable.

I don't have access to these records. Can anyone check?

Just been talking to my mother (Ethel)She says We visited my great grandmother (on my fathers side) a Jane Pugh of Tanyberth in about 1953.Jane knew the 'young" Huntstables and also told my mother that she thought that William and Susan went to america after handing Ethel over to the Davies family. Another aunt in LLangurig said that the Davises lived at Pantgwyn on the Clochfaen estate when they took charge of the baby.I think that too many people knew the Hunstables for them not to exist. William Francis Huxtable sounds very promising ,Thanks for that Eve and Glynne

this birth and death could be linked

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: William Francis Huxtable
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Bridgend
County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 797


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
Name: William Francis Huxtable
Birth Date: 9 Sep 1901
Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1996
Age at death (estimated): 94
Registration district: Brent
Inferred County: Middlesex
Register number: C25B
District and Subdistrict: 2211B
Entry Number: 32

looking around, there's not many "Hunstables" on any census on fmp, however this 1911 census could possibly be, or not be interesting

Person: HUXTABLE, William Francis
Address: 84 Hermon Road Caerau
Registration District: Bridgend
Sub District: Maesteg
County: Glamorganshire

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

HUXTABLE, William Head Married M 37 1874 Colliery Labourer Belowground Berrynarbour Devonshire
HUXTABLE, Mary Maria Wife Married 13 years F 34 1877 Brickley Hill Staffordshire
HUXTABLE, Eliza Jane Daughter F 12 1899 School Caerau Glamorgan
HUXTABLE, Evan Henry Son M 11 1900 School Caerau Glamorgan
HUXTABLE, William Francis Son M 9 1902 School Caerau Glamorgan
HUXTABLE, Stanley Son M 7 1904 School Caerau Glamorgan
HUXTABLE, Joseph Ivor Son M 5 1906 School Caerau Glamorgan
HUXTABLE, Arthur Son M 3 1908 Caerau Glamorgan
HUXTABLE, Horace James Son M 1 1910 Caerau Glamorgan

I do wonder whether Hunstable was mispelt and it should have been Hustable or I suppose even Huxtable. I can't see Hunstable's in the area anywhere, unless he came from North America. But that still doesn't solve the issue of why they left their baby almost as soon as she was born.

Do local families recall if they were a young couple and whether they had any other children?

Well Astra we have considered what you suggest,However Llangurig is a small community and I am related to most of them(aunts 2nd and 3rd cousins and practically all the present occupants know of the William hunstable -Susan Down story from their parents and grandparents.My aunt Tilly who still lives in Llangurig has told me that my great uncle Joeseph new them well and visited the pair when they lived in a cottage behind The Bluebell Inn in llangurig. The present landlord of the Bluebell Inn also remembers his father(the prev landlord) saying that the Hunstables lived at the cottage when they both worked at Clochfaen Hall.But bithplace was Clochfaen on certificate-

I am thinking here that the birth details are maybe an invention and that she was actually the off spring of one of the family in the big house with a farm girl or servant of some sort or a farm boy if she was the child of one of the female children. I haven't looked into the details of the family and what children there were but it is worth looking into. The name Hunstable just doesn't exist anywhere in the area and if she was the child of a married couple working there why would she be handed over to be raised by another family.
I think you are going to have a job to find out the real facts here.
Maybe the 1921 census willl throw some light onto it if you can wait that long.

Thanks for all the info All I have are my mothers birth and marriage certificates---Birth 14 Nov 1920at Clochfaen LLangurig
--Name Ethel joan Down ---Father William HUNSTABLE(gardener)---Mother Susan HUNSTABLE formally Down---Informant Susan Hunstable Clochfaen Llangurig --registered on 18 Dec.
On marriage cert Ethel Joan Down Hunstable otherwise Davies,this time the father is given as Frank Hunstable--
The Davies Family lived on a smallholding on the Clochfaen estate and Ethel was handed over to them in Dec 1920.
Ethel 91 this year is just out of hospital after four weeks of pneumonia,she sends her regards to you all.

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A BRIEF HISTORY AND GALLERY OF THE CLOCHFAEN
I. CLOCHFAEN – AN ANCIENT HABITATION

The Clochfaen, the late Victorian house, circa 1904.
What was there architecturally at Clochfaen in 1913 for Benson to work upon? J R Stirk and R W D Fenn (Montgomeryshire Collections, 1987) re-examined some old questions around the origins of Clochfaen.
What does Clochfaen mean? “Cloch” means “bell” and “faen” means stone. Fenn believes that the house took its name from the ridge, “Esgair Clochfaen”, and not vice versa, on the ground that the names of geographical features generally preceded place names and house names.
The more romantic Victorians had other theories. Edward Hamer and Howel William Lloyd, the Llangurig Parish historians of the 1870’s, postulated that the word “Clochfaen” was descriptive of a bell-shaped rotary quern, “Y Clochfaen”, which remains at the Clochfaen house to this day. Such querns or hand mills were in use in Britain from pre-Roman times until a couple of hundred years ago, and the Victorian suggestion is perhaps as improbable as suggesting that Kenwood is named after the famous mixer! Undoubtedly the quern can have nothing to do with the name of the neighbouring farm, Clochfaen Isaf. Further, the rotary quern, while a fascinating relic, is not unique, and it is hard to see why a domestic implement which was once in common use would give its physical description to a place. A quern looks like a stone bell, but obviously is not one.

Chevalier Lloyd
“Y Clochfaen”
Arms of Lloyd of Clochfaen



A further suggestion from Hamer and Lloyd and Colonel George Hope Lloyd Verney (Description of Llangurig Church, 1892) is “bubbling stone” or, alternatively, a place of bubbling springs; and “stone of worship” is put as a possibility by the great eclectic and eccentric historian of upper Powys, the colourful Chevalier Jacob Youde William Lloyd, historian, philanthropist and religious controversialist, owner of the Clochfaen Estate from 1864 until his death in 1887. His wide ranging History of Powys Fadog was published in six volumes from 1881.
The late G.G. Evans, noted expert on Welsh place names, pointed out that “carreg ateb” is the name of a rock face believed to cause an echo, an answering stone. In this context he believed that Clochfaen referred to some kind of resonance, connected with some aspect or other of the local topography. In this he may have been inspired as the valley between Clochfaen and Voel Curig is highly resonant, and on a quiet evening with a favourable breeze you may hear the river Wye running over its rocks and stones.
The real significance of the quern, “Y Clochfaen”, is the age of the habitation which it indicates. “Y Clochfaen” was recorded in Hamer and Lloyd’s Llangurig Parish History (1875) and has been taken to be pre-historic. The Royal Commission Inventory of Ancient Monuments in Montgomeryshire (1910) recorded several quern stones shown to the inspectors by Harriet Julia Morforwyn Lloyd Verney, the Chevalier Lloyd’s niece and Harry Lloyd Verney’s mother. Some of these had been used at Clochfaen as garden tables and photographs of the 1890’s show the Princes Cheroon and Amorolat of Siam seated beside them behind the old Victorian house. Several other pre-historic artefacts are recorded as having been found at Clochfaen in the nineteenth century. At the far western end of the Estate, on the same ancient track network which passes through the Clochfaen grounds, lies the Cistfaen, a cromlech or reputed burial mound.
In her memoirs, Lady Joan Verney recalled:
“On one of the highest hills at the end of the Clochfaen Estate stood a group of large rocks known as “The Stones.” It was reputed to be Druidical in origin and some years ago some English archaeologists wished to dig and find out whether they marked the place of..graves of the ancient British warriors. But the feelings of the inhabitants ran so high in the matter that they had to abandon the project as force would certainly have been used had they persisted. The Welshmen firmly believed that ill luck would be caused by interference with The Stones...”
The late E T Stirk was correct to see the significance in the locally famous holly tree which stood on the bank of the hillside behind the Clochfaen Uchaf farm house of 1810. Hollies also have a sacred significance in folk lore.

Morforwyn Lloyd Verney
Old Clochfaen, circa 1888
Colonel Lloyd Verney

Colonel Lloyd Verney



“This gigantic and magnificent tree, in a good state of preservation, measures 28 feet in girth, probably one of the greatest and tallest in the Principality.” So wrote Drivers Jonas, reputable Chartered Surveyors, in the Clochfaen Estate sale particulars of 1921. They omitted however to mention that the tree was by this date held together by iron bars and bands which must have represented a significant project for the Clochfaen Estate blacksmith. The tree itself was destroyed by a tornado in 1954. Only the iron bars and bands now remain. The local newspaper recorded the “great gale” of November 24th, 1954:
“PASSING OF A LANDMARK – The severe gales of this winter have destroyed a well known landmark at Clochfaen Hall, Llangurig – a giant holly tree reputed to be the largest in this country and which is recorded as being 700 years old. It was about 30 feet around its base and in recent years [pre 1921], owing to signs of decay, had been strengthened by iron rods. Cut in the bark on the trunk were initials and dates ranging back to the 18th Century....”

The Great Holly Tree, circa 1947.
Stirk and Fenn observed that the evidence for the medieval origins of a house at Clochfaen belongs to literature rather than to archaeology or history. A fragmentary and somewhat flattering verse of a 15th century bard (from the Lloyd family dedication – to Ieuan ab Gruffyd ab Hywel Lloyd of Clochfaen, and his wife, Gwenllian – this verse can be dated circa 1430) runs as follows:
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FROM A TREE ON ANCESTRY
Susan Joan Down
Birth About 1900
Death
.Parents & Siblings No Father
No Mother
Spouse & Children William Frank Hunstable (1900-)
Living Hunstable (-)
Timeline 1900
AboutBirth
..Family Members Parents
No Father No Mother
.Show siblings
Hide siblings .
Spouse & Children
William Frank Hunstable 1900 –
Living Hunstable

Thanks for that Flick but i still can't locate it unfortunately

There is this one

LOVELL, Thomas Head Married M 49 1862 Game Keeper Hampshire Hannington VIEW
LOVELL, Frances Wife Married
18 years F 50 1861 Hampshire Amport VIEW
LOVELL, Cecil B Son Single M 17 1894 Carpenter London Marylebone VIEW
LOVELL, Esther F Daughter Single F 15 1896 Montgomery Llangurig VIEW
LOVELL, Ada F M Daughter F 11 1900 School Montgomery Llangurig VIEW
LOVELL, Dorothy A Daughter F 7 1904 School Montgomery Llangurig VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
33750 Reference:
RG14PN33750 RG78PN1947 RD616 SD1 ED12 SN29

Registration District:
Newtown Sub District:
Llanidloes Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Llangurig

Address:
Old Clochfaen Llangurig Llanidloes County:
Montgomeryshire

The Welsh for Hall is PLAS............you might find it as Plas Clochfaen

no marriages on Scotlands People so could they be Irish?

Cannot find Clochfaen Hall in 1911. This is the only reference to the name I can find.

DAVIES, Edward Head Married M 56 1855 Farmer Montgomeryshire VIEW
28 DAVIES, Sarah Jane Wife Married
20 years F 45 1866 Montgomeryshire VIEW
28 DAVIES, John R Son Single M 17 1894 Farmers Son Working On Farm Montgomeryshire VIEW
28 DAVIES, Margaret Mary Daughter Single F 19 1892 Farmers Daughter Dairy Work Montgomeryshire VIEW
28 DAVIES, Anne Jane Daughter F 10 1901 School Montgomeryshire VIEW
28 HUGHES], William Servant Single M 46 1865 Farm Labourer Montgomeryshire VIEW
28 MILLS, Richard Thomas Servant Single M 19 1892 Waggoner On Farm Montgomeryshire VIEW


Address:
Clochfaen Isaf Llangurig Llanidloes County:
Montgomeryshire


EDIT: From googling info on the Hall it turns out that this is the farm next door.

What is the exact wording re the mother on the birth cert?