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I have assembled a tree on Ancestry with all the records I have been able to find attached.

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/26272708/recent?pg=42

Thanks Janey

LK, is there a death record for HTJ jr?

Not after 1969 unfortunately, I guess, to have at least the dob reported by family.

for my info

purpose to find birth certificate and true family harold tudor jones born c1901.
He is a foster child 1911.
it is probable he took on foster father's name.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/sites/old_photos/pages/wwii.shtml?12

Michael Jones,from London.
Photo No:12 preparing for war, and photo, No 13; Mr Harrold Tudor Jones on the left of that photo the youngest of the two with either is Dad, or my uncle, aged 16; joined The army very young to be with his family. Photo No 12@13 was taken 1916 just before the 38th (Welch) Div, the 1st Royal Welch Fusiliers, went to Russia, Mametz Woods late: 1916. The Army was sometimes called Loyd George's Welsh Army recruitments. The regiment had a very famous person attached to the Div. a (Lt Siegfried Sasson) Poet and a officer of the best quality, sometimes called (Mad Jack) the reasons will speak for itself if you read up on him. Dad won the M.M. with a white ribbon attached Campaigns in Russia, then on to the Somme. He also was in a special unit which he told me about when he came over the ridge to the Somme. Perhaps the unit he was in was not too known. But anyone that has any knowledge of the unit. They used Flashing, Angels, over the Somme to frighten the Belgains a very frightening factor just before the Battle began on that fatal morning of the battle. If there is any more information that I can give to you about my Dad and Uncle, please write.
Tue Jul 25 07:59:09 2006

M. J. Jones
Re photo No 12. Second from the left in the top rank is my father the rest in that top rank are related to one another. My father, a Harold Tudor Jones, was 16 when he joined the army to be with his family in the 1914/1918 war, joining in 1916 then going to Mametz Wood in Russia where it is said by him that he won the Military Medal by notifying a block house H.Q. that there was going to be a Barrage attack on the wood at Mametz so that they all could leave the post. Dad was a runner at the time.
Thu Jul 13 17:20:31 2006

more info
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:iIJw96chqIAJ:www.ellesmere.info/news/merenews/Issue34.pdf+%22harold+tudor+jones%22+WREXHAM&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShluz699ue-_eXSwOGjSHo1u0axNrZ614mlCX-B5GLTweLwnCIr_Zzeq6ehE74Rzd2gdeMqe6hrIvMdtrE98oU3WghBcYSpAyoUry6nr_eJaJp7drqQoR4SGr8HAFMjtf2jAKh0&sig=AHIEtbTtkj8rzjj-paHJ_l_w2UyjZmOUFQ


British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
about Harold T Jones Name: Harold T Jones
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Age at enlistment: 18
Residence: 2 Wellington St, Shotton
Document Year: 1916
Regimental number: 13876
Regiment Name: RFA
Number of images: 37
Does next of kin say John Jones father
INCORRECT RECORD



Mary Jane Jones died 14 july 1912
Peel Memorial Home Overton
age 62 widow of harold tudor jones joiner
aortic aneurism and syncope
informant nurse Jane lloyd present at death peel memorial home

1911 Address: Turning Row Overton Ellesmere
JONES, Mary Jane Head Widow F 61 1850 Charwoman Overton Flints
JONES, Harrold Tudor Foster Son M 10 1901 Wrexham Denbs

She is a widow and starts to reply to thequestion re the length of the present marriage
unfortunately she then crosses it out together with the info about numder of children she has born and how many are living and died.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Harold Tudor Jones Name: Harold Tudor Jones (senior)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Year of Registration: 1904
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 45
District: Ellesmere
County: Flintshire, Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 419
death cert on ancestry
informant wife
cause of death pulmonary tuberculosis
irnmonger and joiner

1901 census - household transcription
Person: JONES, Hard Tudor
Address: Canister Hall, Overton (Flint)
JONES, Hard Tudor Head Married M 40 1861 Joiner Wrexham Denbighshire
JONES, Mary Jane Wife Married F 52 1849 Bangor Flintshire


marriage
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Ellesmere
County: Flintshire, Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Harold Tudor Jones 1894 Ellesmere Flintshire, Shropshire
Mary Jane Jones 1894 Ellesmere Flintshire, Shropshire
marriage cert on ancestry
sept 18 1894
he was a soldier age 34
she was age 40
harold's father is robert jones coach builder
mary jane's father is josiah Jones bootmaker

1881 Address: Tanners Row, Overton (Flint)
WALKER, John Head Married M 47 1834 Labourer Worthenbury Flintshire Wales
WALKER, Ellin Wife Married F 45 1836 Labourer Wife Overton Flintshire Wales
WALKER, Ellen Daughter Single F 18 1863 Washing Overton Flintshire Wales
WALKER, John Son Single M 16 1865 Sadler Overton Flintshire Wales
WALKER, Jane Daughter Single F 14 1867 Assist In Washing Overton Flintshire Wales
WALKER, Cate Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar Overton Flintshire Wales
APPLEYARD, Richard Lodger Single M 22 1859 Joiner Chester T. Perran
JONES, Harold F Lodger Single M 20 1861 Joiner Wrexham ? Buildings


1871 census - household transcription
Person: JONES, Harold T
Address: Gredington Arms, Gourton
BELLIS, Mary Head F 70 1801 Denbighshire
BELLIS, Edward Son M 36 1835 Denbighshire
BOOTH, Margaret Daughter F 30 1841 Denbighshire
BELLIS, Anne Granddaughter F 17 1854 Denbighshire
JONES, Harold T Grandson M 11 1860 Denbighshire
BOOTH, William Grandson M 6 1865 London
KENNEDY, John Servant M 21 1850 Ireland


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Harold Tudor Jones Name: Harold Tudor Jones
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Wrexham (1837-1974)
County: Cheshire, Denbighshire, Flintshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 308

1861 Address: 20, Chester Street, Wrexham Regis, Wrexham
JONES, Robert Head Married M 33 1828 Coach Body Maker Master
Wrexham Denbighshire
JONES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 36 1825 Denbighshire
JONES, Llewellyn Son M 3 1858 Wrexham Denbighshire
JONES, Harnold J Son M 0 (8M) 1861 Wrexham Denbighshire

1910 United States Federal Census
about Lewellyn F Jones Name: Lewellyn F Jones
[Lewellyn T Jones]
Age in 1910: 51
Estimated Birth Year: 1859
Birthplace: Wales
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Wales
Mother's Birth Place: Wales
Spouse's Name: Annie L Jones
Home in 1910: Lowell Ward 8, Middlesex, Massachusetts
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1880
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Lewellyn F Jones 51
Annie L Jones 42
John L Jones 22
Mary E Jones 19
Robert H Jones 17
Annie L Jones 16
Ruth M Jones 14
Franklin E Jones 12
George D Jones 10
William S Jones 8

1900 United States Federal Census
about Lewellen Jones Name: Lewellen Jones
Home in 1900: Lowell Ward 5, Middlesex, Massachusetts
[Lowell, Middlesex, Massachusetts]
Age: 42
Birth Date: Oct 1857
Birthplace: Wales
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1880
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father's Birthplace: Wales
Mother's Birthplace: Wales
Spouse's Name: Annie Jones
Marriage Year: 1886
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 14
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Lewellen Jones 42
Annie Jones 31
John Jones 12
Mary Jones 8
Robert Jones 7
Annie Jones 5
Lucy Jones 3
Franklin Jones 2
George Jones 8/12

possible

1881 census - household transcription
Person: JONES, Mary Elizabeth
Address: Her Majestys Prison, Stafford, Stafford Ss Mary And Chad


JONES, Mary Elizabeth Prisr Single F 18 1863 General Servant Domestic
Wrexham
Denbighshire
Wales

Maybe Jane

1881 census - household transcription
Person: JONES, Jane
Address: Aigburth Vale, Garston
MORGAN, Walter Head Married M 58 1823 Brush Maker
Llansantffraed
Montgomeryshire
Wales
MORGAN, Mary Anne Wife Married F 58 1823
Liverpool
Lancashire
MORGAN, Arthur Edward Nephew Single M 19 1862 Brush Maker
Liverpool
Lancashire
JONES, Jane Servant Single F 28 1853 Cook
Wrexham
Denbighshire
Wales
REES, Laura Henrietta Servant Single F 25 1856 Housemaid
Liverpool
Lancashire

so in 1871 elizabeth is still alive and she has llewelyn with her and a sister jane? harold is with grandparents.

not sure where jane is in 1861 yet

1871 Wales Census
about Lewellyn T Jones Name: Lewellyn T Jones
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Elizth Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
Civil parish: Wrexham Regis
Ecclesiastical parish: Wrexham
Town: Wrexham
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Wrexham
Sub-registration district: Wrexham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members: Name Age
Elizth Jones 45
Jane Jones 19
Lewellyn T Jones 13
Mary E Jones 8

Daniel is on this ancestry but owner does not appear to beaware of mary jane's family

Edwards / White Family Tree


Public Member Tree
1 source


Name: Daniel Bartlem Jones
Birth: Jun 1901 - Ellesmere, Shropshire, England
Death: 06 Mar 1960 (6 Mar 1960)
Parents: James Jones, Emily Jones

1901 census - household transcription
Person: JONES, Baby
Address: Tetchill, Ellesmere Rural, Tetchill
JONES, James Head Married M 42 1859 Drainer's Labourer
Ellesmere
Salop
JONES, Emily Wife Married F 38 1863 Monthly Nurse
Worthenbury Salop
JONES, Joseph Son Single M 12 1889
Ellesmere Salop
JONES, Walter Son Single M 10 1891
Ellesmere Salop
JONES, Thomas Son Single M 7 1894
Ellesmere Salop
JONES, Sarah E Daughter Single F 4 1897
Ellesmere Salop
JONES, Mary Ann Daughter Single F 2 1899
Ellesmere Salop
JONES, Baby Son Single M 0 (2W) 1901
Ellesmere Salop

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Daniel Bartlem Jones Name: Daniel Bartlem Jones
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Ellesmere
County: Flintshire, Shropshire
Volume: 6a

this one is too olod to be the cousin but will be relaTED

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Daniel Bartlem Jones Name: Daniel Bartlem Jones
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Year of Registration: 1907
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 22
District: Ellesmere
County: Flintshire, Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 369 (click to see others on page)

strange how names originate.
nice one!

Deleted my little bit LK, cos' not much help, lol, was relating to wrong one with service Record! :-))

Must say those articles from google are very interesting.


I liked this snippet from The Times 5th July 1919...

A baby awarded a prize at the Carnarvonshire Baby Show at Bangor, was named Mametz Jones. the father took part in the battle of Mametz wood.

Chris :)

(always nosin' somewhere, lol)

Thanks for help so far MC Choccy Chrisho And Dea.

1851 Address: Greddington Arms
BELLIS, Edward Married M 66 1785 Victualler
Llanypull
Denbighshire
BELLIS, Mary Wife Married F 50 1801 Innkeepers Wife
Llanypull
Denbighshire
BELLIS, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 18 1833 Assistant
Llanypull Denbighshire
BELLIS, Edward Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Labourer
Llanypull Denbighshire
BELLIS, Margaret Daughter F 12 1839 Scholar
Llanypull Denbighshire
GRONOW, Charles Servant Unmarried M 30 1821 Labourer Abenbury Denbighshire

1861 Address: Llanypwll, Goveton
BELLIS, Mary Head Widow F 60 1801 Inn Keeper
GourtonDenbighshire
BELLIS, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 29 1832
Gourton Denbighshire
BELLIS, Edward Son Unmarried M 26 1835
Gourton Denbighshire
BELLIS, Margaret Daughter Unmarried F 21 1840
Gourton Denbighshire
..., Ann Granddaughter F 6 1855
Gourton Denbighshire

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:iIJw96chqIAJ:www.ellesmere.info/news/merenews/Issue34.pdf+%22harold+tudor+jones%22+WREXHAM&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShluz699ue-_eXSwOGjSHo1u0axNrZ614mlCX-B5GLTweLwnCIr_Zzeq6ehE74Rzd2gdeMqe6hrIvMdtrE98oU3WghBcYSpAyoUry6nr_eJaJp7drqQoR4SGr8HAFMjtf2jAKh0&sig=AHIEtbTtkj8rzjj-paHJ_l_w2UyjZmOUFQ
just looking at this mary jane had a sister married to james jones. they had a son Daniel Bartlam Jones of the same age as harold junior

I can see no sign of emily james or Daniel in 1911
please read link as cannot copy onto here

re HTL JUNIOR
SO IF THAT WAS THE INCORRECT RECORD ABOVE THEIR MUST BE A CORRECT ONE

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/sites/old_photos/pages/wwii.shtml?12

Michael Jones,from London.
Photo No:12 preparing for war, and photo, No 13; Mr Harrold Tudor Jones on the left of that photo the youngest of the two with either is Dad, or my uncle, aged 16; joined The army very young to be with his family. Photo No 12@13 was taken 1916 just before the 38th (Welch) Div, the 1st Royal Welch Fusiliers, went to Russia, Mametz Woods late: 1916. The Army was sometimes called Loyd George's Welsh Army recruitments. The regiment had a very famous person attached to the Div. a (Lt Siegfried Sasson) Poet and a officer of the best quality, sometimes called (Mad Jack) the reasons will speak for itself if you read up on him. Dad won the M.M. with a white ribbon attached Campaigns in Russia, then on to the Somme. He also was in a special unit which he told me about when he came over the ridge to the Somme. Perhaps the unit he was in was not too known. But anyone that has any knowledge of the unit. They used Flashing, Angels, over the Somme to frighten the Belgains a very frightening factor just before the Battle began on that fatal morning of the battle. If there is any more information that I can give to you about my Dad and Uncle, please write.
Tue Jul 25 07:59:09 2006

M. J. Jones
Re photo No 12. Second from the left in the top rank is my father the rest in that top rank are related to one another. My father, a Harold Tudor Jones, was 16 when he joined the army to be with his family in the 1914/1918 war, joining in 1916 then going to Mametz Wood in Russia where it is said by him that he won the Military Medal by notifying a block house H.Q. that there was going to be a Barrage attack on the wood at Mametz so that they all could leave the post. Dad was a runner at the time.
Thu Jul 13 17:20:31 2006