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Hello Jeanette, your best bet is going to be to get a copy of Ellen and James' marriage certificate (details on page 1).

That will give you his age, occupation and hopefully father's details to enable further searches with accuracy.

Yesterday I had a fantastic response whilst trying to find out some history about this lady. She was my dad's mother. Born in 1910 and died in 1959. She moved from Kent to Basingstoke and got married in Basingstoke to a James Heslop in 1936. She died in Basingstoke in 1959. Does anybody know anything about James Heslop?

According to my mum Charlie was another brother.

1983 could possibly be about right. Ive just found there was another brother called Charlie.

Possible death for 'John' ?

Name: Sidney John Brown
Birth Date: 4 Mar 1906
Death Registration Month/Year: 1983
Registration district: Basingstoke
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 20
Page: 0149

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Mary L Brown
Name: Mary L Brown
Death Registration Month/Year: 1959
Age at death (estimated): 76
Registration district: Basingstoke
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 74

Have texted my mum asking questions. My dad was brought up by his gran.

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Sidney John Brown
Name: Sidney John Brown
Birth Date: 4 Mar 1906
Death Registration Month/Year: 1983
Registration district: Basingstoke
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 20
Page: 0149

I keep texting my mum with updates. Appears that he was brought up by his gran (Ellens and Joan's mum).

1891 England Census
about Mary L Haines
Name: Mary L Haines
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pauls Cray, Kent, England

Civil parish: Sutton At Hone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Swanley
Town: Swanley
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Dartford
Sub-registration district: Dartford
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Devall 30
Mary A Devall 27
Martha Devall 4
Alice Devall 1
Mary A Tickner 57
Edwin Haines 37
Eleanor M Haines 9
Mary L Haines 7
Emily E Haines 5

Mary's family

You are all really fab and great detectives. I always knew John as Uncle John but maybe that wasn't his first name. He lived with Joan and George and possibly died late 1970s. I'm determined to find out more now. Joan and George never had children and I think they brought my dad up as he was very close to them.

It seems to all fit with what you know

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Sidney John Brown
Name: Sidney John Brown
Year of Registration: 1906
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Dartford
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 660 (click to see others on page)

Unless Sidney went by the name of John

Possible marriage?

Name: Joan M Brown
Spouse Surname: Hope - George W
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1959
Registration district: Basingstoke
Registration county (inferred): Hampshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 295

It could be a match, i cant seem to find a birth for her brother John though.

Helen

As you've probably guessed I'm a complete beginner at this family research. Do you think this could be a match Helen. What is the next step. Thanks for your help.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Mary Louisa Haines
Name: Mary Louisa Haines
Year of Registration: 1905
[1905]
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Dartford
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1167 (click to see others on page)

John Ernest Brown

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Reg. District: Dartford Sub District: Farningham
Parish: Sutton At Hone Enum. District: 2
Address:
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born


BROWN, John Ernest Head Married M 28 1883 Farm Labourer Fawkham Kent
BROWN, Mary Louisa Wife Married
5 years F 28 1883 St Mary Cray Kent
BROWN, Sideny John Son M 5 1906 Sutton At Hone Kent
BROWN, Ellen Ivy Daughter F 1 1910 Sutton At Hone Kent
HAINES, Edward Visitor Widower M 61 1850 Farm Labourer St Mary Cray Kent
HAINES, Florence Annie Visitor Single F 19 1892 Jam Factory Hand Tooley Street London


England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Joan M Brown
Name: Joan M Brown
Mother's Maiden Surname: Haines
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1926
Registration district: Basingstoke
Registration county: Hampshire, Berkshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 378 (click to see others on page)

? possible. Could read Ivy on the birth certificate.

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Ellen I Heslop
Name: Ellen I Heslop
Death Registration Month/Year: 1959
Age at death (estimated): 49
Registration district: Basingstoke
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 87