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Glad we got a result Michael.

Maryb

Thank you

:)

If it is about the same family it is best to put it here Michael. That way people wishing to help can get the background.

Pleased that you have a successful outcome to this query.

Good luck with your research.

You are right, deffinately Eliza Smith, born in sudbourne 1832.

All of the above is correct.

Brilliant, well done.

If I have a new query is best to put it here or start a new thread?

Thanks again everybody. :)

Yes thats the marriage I posted it was 17th October at St Mary Bury.

Happen Michael will come round to our way of thinking.

Maryb

I think that you are correct Mary, even with the surnames Smith and Jackson it seems too much of a co-incidence! The fact that Eliza named her sons Jonathan and Jerimiah certainly looks promising.

There is this Bury marriage??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1852 (>99%)
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Jackson James Bury 8c 430
Lofthouse Thomas Bury 8c 430
SMITH Eliza Bury 8c 430
WHITTAKER Betty Bury 8c 430

Hi Rootgatherer,I would say its the same family ,but Michael doesn't seem too sure.

Maryb

That certainly looks promising Maryb. I'll copy and paste the census here for Michael.

1851

Name: Eliza Smith
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Jonathan Smith
Mother's Name: Martha Smith
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Sudbourne, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Elton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: Higher Woodhill

Occupation: Throstle (?) Spinner

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: North Bury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 209
Household Members: Name Age
Jonathan Smith 69
Martha Smith 59
Ellenor Smith 26
Hannah Smith 23
Eliza Smith 19
Joremiah Smith 17
Catherine Smith 14 GrandDaughter

1841
Name: Jonathan Smith
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Bury
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Elton
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jonathan Smith 60
Martha Smith 50
Hannah Smith 20
Sarah Smith 15
Ellen Smith 15
Emma Smith 14
Mary Ann Smith 12
Eliza Smith 10
Jonathan Smith 9
Jeremiah Smith 7

The Eliza Smith i posted about wasn't in the workhouse in Sudbury.

She was with her parents and siblings in 1841 /51 in Bury area.

I think Eliza jackson was born Sudbourne rather than Sudbury therefore the info i have posted would seem to be correct.3 census returns say Sudbourne.

Did you notice Eliza Smith's dad Jonathan and brother Jeremiah same names as 2 of her sons!!

A lot of coincidences don't you think.

Maryb

No Mary just from various records, 1828-31 is the range.

:)

Looks like Eliza Smith was born/lived in Sudbury Union Workhouse.

There could be numerous reasons she was there so tracing her would be difficult I would think.

I doubt I will get any more information on her, if the Birth Certs come back and Smith is her name it will be a shame.

I have just been reading up on work houses and they aint places for young children.
I hope she was happy.

Have you it in writing that James was born 1830?

1881 his birth 1827
1891 1827
1901 1827.

I know you can't realy trust the ages on census returns but they do seem consistant.

Maryb

James was born 1830

I have purchased certificate for Jesse Jackson for fingers crossed it is on there, hopefully I can also get certificate for James.

I was under the impression that the birth records on here is a replica of the actual thing, I now understand this is not the case.

Thank you

James Jackson married 17/10/1852 St Mary Bury to Eliza Smith.

Maryb.

A tree says Eliza Smith married James and it could be right.

1851 North Bury Lancs D 1d >61
Jonathan Smith carpenter born 1782 suffolk
Martha 1782 Suffolk
Eliza 1832 Sudbourne.
Jeremiah 1834 Sudbourne.
so we need marriage prior th the birth of Jesse 1854/5.

The Smiths were also in Lancs on 1841 census.

It also says parents for James born 4/9/1826 died @ 1911 are John and Nancy Jackson.

Maryb

There seems (on Freebmd) to be several James Jacksons that married an Eliza in the likely time scale in Manchester. The only way to be sure that you have the correct Eliza is to buy a birth certificate for one of her children.

It doesn't take too much imagination to work out that Richard Mills could be Eliza's son prior to her marriage................

Yes, it's right...no spouse name unitl after 1911.

Just look for the marriage using the KNOWN info...............

So have you actually purchased / seen Jeremiah's birth certificate?

Ref. to order from GRO

Births Jun 1862
JACKSON Jeremiah Mahcester 8d 298

If the MMN isn't recorded, you haven't got the CERTS - you've only looked at the index

MMN isn't on the GRO index until after 1911, although Lancsbmd have transcribed some MMN info. NOT, however, in the case of the Jacksons - I have checked