Find Ancestors

Hi
Any information prior to 1891 census gratefully received

George King - Born c1842 married to:
Emma (don't know maiden name) - Born c1852
Children: Amy-1874, George-1876, Charles-1879, Emma-1881, Celica-1883, Susan-1885-1949, Lilian-1888, Henry-1889, Frank-1891

The family have been identified on the census for 1891 and 1901 but haven't been able to find them on the 1881 or anything before then. It appears that they were in the Islington, London area most of their lives as they were all born in that area

Susan (1885-1949) is my Great Grandmother.

Many thanks,
Michelle

I've also found some information on the 1911 census which I'm uncertain about - so if any GR experts could help clarify that would be fantastic.

1911 census
Emma Jane King - age 59 - Head - Widow - 14 children/9 living - monthly nurse - born; Bristol, Somerset
Katherine Sarah - age 34 - daughter - trained nurse - born; middlesex
Henry Donald - age 22 - son - butcher
Frank Leslie - age 20 - son - fish porter
Living: 231 Hornsey Road, Upper Holloway, Islington

Is this our Emma King? and
Who is Katherine Sarah who has all of a sudden appeared?
Is this our Henry and Frank as a Henry and Frank of same ages also appear on other 1911 census information (see below)?

1911 census
Frank King - age 19 - Private Royal Fusiliers
Henry King - age 21 - Private "F" COY, 2nd Bn. The Welch Regt

Michelle

Births Sep 1885 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

King Susan Gertrude Islington 1b 233

Is this your Gt. Grandmother?...


Name: Susan Gertrude King
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1885
Baptism Date: 25 Oct 1885
Father's Name: George Charles King
Mother's Name: Emma Jane King
Parish or Poor Law Union: Tollington Park St Mark
Borough: Islington

(birthdate on image 25th July, fathers occ. Masons labourer)

Chris :)

You need the Birth cert. to find out mothers maiden name...


Marriages Mar 1872 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

King George Charles Islington 1b 286
Russell Ellen Islington 1b 286


Marriages Dec 1882 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

King George Charles Pancras 1b 213
Tate Lydia Pancras 1b 213

These are two marriages, but don't seem to add up?.


1891 (for reference)

KING, George Head Married M 49 1842 General Labourer
Islington
London
KING, Emma Wife Married F 39 1852
Bristol
Somersetshire
KING, Amy Daughter Single F 17 1874 Domestic Servant
Islington
London
KING, George Son Single M 15 1876 Railway Van Boy
Islington
London
KING, Emma Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Islington
London
KING, Susan Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Islington
London
KING, Lily Daughter F 3 1888 Scholar
Islington
London
KING, Henry Son M 2 1889
Islington
London
HEADLY, Thomas Stepfather Widower M 67 1824 Living On Own Means
Bristol
Somersetshire
DACRES, Kate Cousin F 13 1878 Scholar
Hound
Hampshire
KING, Charles Son M 12 1879 Scholar
Islington
London

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
148 Folio:
88 Page:
38

Registration District:
Islington Sub District:
Upper Holloway Enumeration District:
52 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Mark

Civil Parish:
Islington Municipal Borough:
Address:
22, Andover Road, Islington, London County:
London

posting for reference -

1891

KING, George Head Married M 49 1842 General Labourer
Islington
London VIEW
KING, Emma Wife Married F 39 1852
Bristol
Somersetshire VIEW
KING, Amy Daughter Single F 17 1874 Domestic Servant
Islington
London VIEW
KING, George Son Single M 15 1876 Railway Van Boy
Islington
London VIEW
KING, Emma Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Islington
London VIEW
KING, Susan Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Islington
London VIEW
KING, Lily Daughter F 3 1888 Scholar
Islington
London VIEW
KING, Henry Son M 2 1889
Islington
London VIEW
HEADLY, Thomas Stepfather Widower M 67 1824 Living On Own Means
Bristol
Somersetshire VIEW
DACRES, Kate Cousin F 13 1878 Scholar
Hound
Hampshire VIEW
KING, Charles Son M 12 1879 Scholar
Islington
London VIEW

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
148 Folio:
88 Page:
38

Registration District:
Islington Sub District:
Upper Holloway Enumeration District:
52 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Mark

Civil Parish:
Islington Municipal Borough:
Address:
22, Andover Road, Islington, London County:
London



1901

KING, George Head Married M 59 1842 General Labourer
Islington
London VIEW
KING, Emma Wife Married F 49 1852
Islington
London VIEW
KING, Charles Son Single M 22 1879 General Labourer
Islington
London VIEW
KING, Celia Daughter Single F 18 1883 Envelope Folder
Islington
London VIEW
KING, Susan Daughter Single F 16 1885 Envelope Folder
Islington
London VIEW
KING, Lilian Daughter Single F 13 1888 Envelope Folder
Islington
London VIEW
KING, Henry Son Single M 12 1889
Islington
London VIEW
KING, Frank Son Single M 10 1891
Islington
London VIEW

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
167 Folio:
69 Page:
25

Registration District:
Islington Sub District:
Upper Holloway Enumeration District:
54 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Marks

Civil Parish:
Islington Municipal Borough:
Address:
19, Andover Road, Islington County:
London

~~~~~~~waves to Choccy, can't see a birth for Katherine Dacres, Hampshire.
(be back soon, must get breakfast!)

Chris :)

You definitely need a birth certificate.
The one posted for Susan looks the only likely one for your great grandmother.
I was trying to find Celica-1883, is this correct for year (I have tried different spellings)?
If the 1911 census is correct, they married 1869/1870.
Thanks

Hi Chris - me for breakfast too

Name: Katherine Sarah King
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1876
Baptism Date: 3 Dec 1876
Father's Name: George King
Mother's Name: Emma King
Parish or Poor Law Union: Tollington Park St Mark
Borough: Islington

34 Andover Rd, George is a labourer


The baptism for Amy is listed as RING


Emma Celia King baptised in 1882

Chris - yes, Susan Gertrude is my Gt Grandmother

Choccy - 1891 census - I'd missed that a Stepfather and cousin was listed. On 1911 census there is a Katherine Sarah but she is listed as daughter not a cousin and down as King not Dacres. I'm wondering if this is the same family or not because I'd always had Emma c. 1852 down as being born in Islington but then on 1911 census there is an Emma (with similar details/family) but down as being born in Bristol

All very confusing ... I'm new to this ... and am finding this one a bit of a tangle :-)

Michelle

1881 England Census
George C. Gling
Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma J. Gling Gender: Male Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Islinston County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 22 Andover Rd Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Stonemasons Labourer Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington East ED, institution, or vessel: 78a

George C. Gling 38
Emma J. Gling 28
Amy A. Gling 7
George Th. Gling 5
Marian Gling 4
Charles A. Gling 2
Celia C. Gling

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 274; Folio: 22; Page: 37; GSU roll: 1341059.

Dear Patchem

Apologies ... my dodgy typing :-D ... Celica - should read Celia b1883 - I think the year is there or there abouts giving a year or two as she had one sister Emma born in 1881 and another sister Susan born in 1885

Michelle

This birth:
Births Mar 1881
KING Celia Clara Islington 1b 466

Name: Emma Celia King
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1882
Baptism Date: 25 Jun 1882
Father's Name: George Charles King
Mother's Name: Emma Jane King
Parish or Poor Law Union: Tollington Park St Mark
Borough: Islington

(birthdate 4th June 1882)

Patchem

The address 22 Andover Road is tieing in - Marian is a new name I haven't come across before.

Also GlitterBaby identified an Emma Celia King as being baptised in 1882 - I thought for one (crazy) moment that they were one and the same person - but I don't know - on 1891 Emma is listed and not Celia and on 1901 Celia is listed and Emma isn't ????

oooo think my head may explode :-D

No advance on the London images for a marriage, been looking through...only the two posted earlier.

You need that Birth cert. Michelle :-)

Chris :)

As George is born about 1842, possibility that he has been previously married.
If 41 years in 1911 is incorrect, and marriage is really just before Amy's birth in about 1873, then in 1871 census he can be with a different wife.

I can't see a baptism for Amy on London images...first one is George Thomas 1875.

But this is not helping with finding a marriage

Name: George Charles King
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1842
Baptism Date: 22 May 1842
Father's Name: Charles King
Mother's Name: Sarah King
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington

Just to confirm what I mentioned earlier

Name: Amy Agnes Ring
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1874
Baptism Date: 25 Feb 1874
Father's Name: George Charles Ring
Mother's Name: Emma Jane Ring
Parish or Poor Law Union: Tollington Park St Mark
Borough: Islington


26 Andover Rd. George is a labourer

will add a name correction

WOW ... you guys are very good at this stuff

patchem - ahh ... that's a thought ... Emma was (I believe) 10 years his junior ... i'll see what i can find

chris - you're right birth certificates are probably the best way forward to unravel this family