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Hi All

Very many thanks for all your help and I’ve been trying to get my head around all the information.

The 1881 and 1891 census show Arthur’s mother as Phoebe (formerly Drane) , 1881 census and marriage certificate confirm his father was James the Butler. The census records also show his siblings Ada, Frank C, Arthur, Percy, Ethel A.

The 1901 census is a little muddled but looking at the original I’m pretty sure that Arthur Ganard is Arthur Garrad. He could have given an older age to secure his job. He does however say that he is married, the census being taken the week before his marriage. He is an Ironmonger on the census which is what he shows on his marriage record.

Kate in 1901 is shown with her family and single. A week later she marries Arthur.

Possible that he was the soldier who went to the Boer War in 1902. Maybe he decided to stay over in South Africa and started another family? The South African Ancestry site shows several similar surnames but don’t know if any are descended from him – I don’t have paid access.

Kate married for the second time in 1911 although the census shows her as having been married for six years. If he “disappeared” it is supposed to be seven years before marrying again. The six years could be common law marriage.

Phoebe in the 1911 census shows that she had five children and one has died. It looks as though Ada died in 1895 which means that Phoebe doesn’t consider that Arthur is dead.

Was the 1901 Arthur a different one or was he already married?

Bring on the 1921 census – it might help!

I have just found an Ancestry site which has Arthur on it – unfortunately the site only shows his birth, parents and a couple of siblings. I’ve contacted them in hopes of finding out more.

Once again, thanks for all the help in piecing together the story.

Best wishes

Liz

ethel makes it oxfordshire in 1901 too.

1901 Address: 11, Bark Place, Paddington
HORRELL, Edmund H Head Married M 57 1844 Painter
Teignmouth
Devonshire
HORRELL, Harriet Wife Married F 57 1844
Tunbridge Wells
Kent
GARRAD, Ethel Lodger Single F 18 1883 Book Keeper
Donhead
Oxfordshire
KINGDON, May Lodger Single F 22 1879 Cashier
Kidderminster
Worcestershire
CRESSWELL, T Lodger Single F 68 1833 Living On Own Means
Walworth

found mum in 1901

1901 census - household transcription
Person: GARRAD, Phoebe
Address: 70, Godwin Road, West Ham
GARRAD, Phoebe Head Widow F 60 1841
Framingham
Norfolk
GARRAD, Frank Son Single M 12 1889 Solicitors Clerk
Paddington
London



So Arthur is not at home.

marriage was April 8, after census was taken.

Midnight. Sun/Mon. 31st March / April 1901

You've given me so much info to look into I'll have to look at it tomorrow and get back to you.

Thanks so much

Liz

I cannot see Ada in 1901 so that death looks promising.

Many thanks all. The census records sound right although the 1901 census sounds strange with the different birth place. I'm sure there aren't many ironmongers of the same name so it must be him - although I have Kate in the 1901 census as single and living with her family. Curiouser and curiouser!!

Australia off to bed now - it's a nuisance having different time zones.

Thanks again

Liz

This could be Ada's death which would mean Arthur could still be alive according to his mum

Deaths Dec 1895 (>99%)
Garrad Ada Mary 18 W. Ham 4a 84

Here is Frank


1911Person: GARRAD, Frank Charles
Address: 1 St Mary's Gardens Little Ilford Lane Manor Park E
GARRAD, Frank Charles Head Married M 31 1880 Provision Merchants Clerk London Paddington
GARRAD, Ruth Wife Married
5 years F 23 1888 Essex Dagenham
GARRAD, Frank Andrew Son M 3 1908 Essex Ilford
GARRAD, George William Son M 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 Essex Manor Park

Just leaves Ada

1911 Address: 86 Little Ilford Lane Manor Park E
GARRAD, Phoebe Head Widow F 70 1841 Franshingham Norfolk
GARRAD, Percy Son Single M 29 1882 Dock Labourer Donhead Wilts
GARRAD, Ethel Daughter Single F 28 1883 Look-Keeper Grocery Donhead Wilts

Mum and 2 siblings
5 children
4 living
1 died
a line crosses through this info

His brother is a soldier

1901 census - household transcription
Person: GARROD, Percy
Institution: Eastney Barracks, Eastney Southsea
GARROD, Percy Soldier Single M 21 1880 Private R M A
Donhead
Wiltshire

Checked to see if Arthur had witnessed any of his siblings marriages...... couldn't find any.

HI LK,

I spotted the other census returns........... but I can't see this Arthur before the 1901 census......... so I think it maybe him.

If he lied about his year of birth and birth place what else is he covering up.... just a thought.


Dee x

1891 Address: 70, Godwin Road, West Ham
GARRAD, Phoebe Head Widow F 47 1844 Fremington Norfolk
GARRAD, Ada M Daughter F 13 1878 Dressmakers Assistant Bayswater Middlesex
GARRAD, Frank C Son M 12 1879 Scholar Bayswater Middlesex
GARRAD, Arthur Son M 11 1880 Scholar Donhead St Andrew Wiltshire
GARRAD, Percy Son M 9 1882 Scholar Donhead St Andrew Wiltshire
GARRAD, Ethel A Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar Donhead St Andrew Wiltshire

For reference compare

1881 Address: Barkers St, Donhead St Andrew
GARRAD, James Head Married M 28 1853 Butler
Hornechurch Essex
GARRAD, Phoebe Wife Married F 35 1846 Framingham Norfolk
GARRAD, Ada M Daughter Single F 3 1878 Paddington Middlesex
GARRAD, Frank C Son Single M 2 1879 Paddington Middlesex
GARRAD, Arthur Son Single M 1 1880 Donhead St Andrew Wiltshire

1901 Address: 2, Stanmore Terrace, Beckenham
LEWCOCK, William Head Married M 44 1857 Coachman Domestic
Teddington Middlesex
LEWCOCK, Sophia E Wife Married F 38 1863 Plumstead London
LEWCOCK, Alice N Daughter Single F 10 1891 Beckenham Kent
LEWCOCK, Edith M Daughter Single F 3 1898 Beckenham Kent
LIVERMORE, Sarah A Mother Widow F 74 1827 Nurse MonthlyHampton Middlesex
GARRARD, Arthur Visitor Married M 23 1878 Iron MongerBletchington Oxfordshire

Place of birth is wrong
Tried to post before but GR went offline for me.
Essential maintenance.

Here's how Ancestry has him. ;)


Name: Arthur Ganard -- it looks like that, sure, but Garrard makes more sense
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Bletchington, Norfolk, England (it says Oxford, not Norfolk)

Civil parish: Beckenham
Registration district: Bromley
Town: Beckenham
County/Island: Kent

William Lewark 44
Sophia E Lewark 38
Alice V Lewark 10
Edith M Lewark 3
Lara L A Livormore 74
Arthur Ganard 23

Find my past has this 1901 census ( I don't subscribe)


Household GARRARD, Arthur 1878 23 M Bromley Kent >>> Iron Monger


Can anyone with FMP check him out?


Dee x

For "declared dead" -- it wasn't actually a declaration. After seven years without contact and no information, a spouse was entitled to presume the person was dead and consider themself free to marry again. The seven years provided a defence against any bigamy charge.

I had wondered about that possibility. 1911 would put his last known existence at 1904, if that had been the case.

I don't know how common this was, for instance how familar people were with the rule, or even how it was implemented. When I read up on a bit a little while ago, it sounded like someone could just say to themself: well, I'll consider him/her dead, time to get married again! ;)