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Hello Ladies,

Patrick, hopefully Elizabeth's sister, is the one ID'd by Maura who married Catherine McNally in 1890. Maura also found the 1901 Irish Census entry which shows that Patrick was born in England.
I can't find them on the 1911 Irish Census either, also can't find a suitable Patrick in the English Census's,assuming he was born about 1868 - aged 33 on the 1901 Census.

Following Erins link to the Elizabeth next door, there is also a Thomas Keenan, 33, in the same street too. Could Elizabeth be the widowed mother, and Patrick and Thomas the sons?

Brilliant catch on the will Erin, i know the Abrahams were childless, and sent money to Elizabeths nieces when they were sent to England.

Morning Erin, no I can't find them on the 1911 census.

Michael...have you got this...dont know if it will help...
Bernard died 1 June 1930....
You can access details from the Proni web site...Will Calenders..

Title : Mrs Date of Death : 12 August 1938
Surname : Abraham Date of Grant : 30 September 1938
Forename : Elizabeth Reseal Date :
Registry : Belfast Effects : Effects £1026 17s 7d
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Full Abstract :
Abraham Elizabeth of Church Street Holywood county Down widow died 12 August 1938 Probate Belfast 30 September to Thomas Maguire solicitor and John Milligan farmer. Effects £1026 17s. 7d.

Morning Maura...Can you see Patrick/family anywhere on the 1911 census..?
This one has me tearing my hair out so it has....

Michael...How did you identify Patrick (b England) as the correct Patrick...?

Elizabeth Keenan married Bernard Abraham 28th September 1890 in Bangor R.C. church in the parish of Bangor civil district Newtonards.

Elizabeth father's a Patrick

The marriage is on this site
www.ancestryireland.com

Hi Folks,

I did follow the rules, and put this in my original "Thread" but got no response! Thought you'd moved on to other, newer problems.

To try and answer your questions in order:-

1) The Church, St. Patricks, in Newtownards only holds records from 1904 onwards.
I have the Vol/ Page No.s as Ann shows. This a GRO Ref I assume?
2) Elizabeth b.1862 Co.Down; Bernard b.1863 Co. Louth.
If its any help, Bernard is listed as a sailor in 1901, Elizabeth a shop
owner. 1911 see's them both running the shop. Both became very well
known in Holywood.
3) Have got Patricks MC, it confirms what Maura et al suggested before
about location etc.
4) No, i didn't catch the Elizabeth next door in 1901. Thanks, i'll look at that.

Michael...You may have been better to have just contd.your Thread TTF (11 March) re Horn/Keenan Irish Marriage...although your trying to connect Eliz. with Patrick..all the info re Patrick is on that thread.
Have you received Patricks MC..?
Have you noted that there is an Eliz.Keenan living next to Patrick (1901)

Bernard Abraham
Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
christening:
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence: Jul - Sep 1890 — Newtownards
parents:
spouse:
child:
marriage: Jul - Sep 1890 — Newtownards

record title: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
name: Bernard Abraham
registration district: Newtownards
event type: MARRIAGES
registration quarter and year: Jul - Sep 1890
volume number: 1
page number: 1053
digital folder number: 4179388

I am trying to establish, as fact, whether the Elizabeth Keenan above, is the sister of the Patrick Keenan i've been researching for ages!
The info i have is as follow's:-

Elizabeth Keenan married Bernard Abraham in Newtownards in Sept 1890.( LDS site info, & Confirmed by Church Office.)
1901 & 11 Irish Census's show both in Holywood, b.1862 Co.Down, & 1863 Co. Louth. resp.
Patrick's Granddaughter says she always knew Elizabeth as "Auntie".

I have used every search engine to try and connect Elizabeth to Patrick ( b.1868 England. {1901 Irish Census}) but to no avail.
If i could get some solid evidence, this would clarify a lot of my existing research.