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Name: Wright Lunn
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jemima Lunn
Gender: Male
Where born: Meltham, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: South Crosland
Ecclesiastical parish: South Crosland Holy Trinity
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Honley
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Wright Lunn 50 Farmer & Quarryman
Jemima Lunn 46
Ann Lunn 20
Norman Lunn 19
Mary E Lunn 8

Wife and children born S Crosland

On the same page.....not necessarily related. Sykes is such a common name in Huddersfield.....and you don't even know yet where - or when - George was born

Births Jun 1887 (>99%)
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Sykes George Huddersfield 9a 272
Sykes Herbert Huddersfield 9a 272
Sykes Tom Huddersfield 9a 272
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The above is only an example of why we are advising you to purchase AT LEAST the marriage cert...........as long as you are 100% sure it is for Winfired's parents

Does your mother know Suzanne when and where George and Mary E died? Also, do we know Mary's second name? My guess is that it was either Mary Ellen or Mary Elizabeth.

Suzanne said earlier that she was Mary Ellen............

sorry, that had spaces when I copied it, then I had to go to bed! I'm going to
I'm going to cross reference and make sure they match.

It's funny, but when you ask family the right questions, suddenly they're there with all the info! Oh yes, they lived there, didn"t I tell you that?' etc etc. 'oh they had that farm on such a such road!" Which is irritating. I am completely stuck with the Sykes' though, until I interogate my mother again, so if she can't come up with more then I will have to go down the marriage certificate route there. I'm going to question her again this weekend.

What I meant by researching as far as I can then deciding on the certificate, I meant when I get to a dead end, such as with the Sykes, but also i've found that if I take another route, with another sibling, sometimes the missing people turn up. ;)

Janey, you helped me track down Gerald Bamforth the other night. I called my uncle to see if he wanted me to go any further and make contact. Suddenly I get all these stories about what a horrible man he was, and no he didn't want to know! Nowt so queer as folk!!

Suzanne

Please answer the question about the deaths of these people...........

Christine, sorry I forgot to respond. After going down the route of my Grandmas Cousin, Mabel Lunn I found her parents, Siblings to Mary Ellen and the ages seem to match up with the census and marriage year. Address in the village also seems to fit, all of which I'm going to check with my mum. There are very strong ties with South Crosland.

I don't know I'm sorry. But I know that if they're buried anywhere it will be in South Crosland, does that help?

Trying to get hold of my mother and will try to get more info and post asap. :)

Thanks for the reply re second name Flick. Sorry, the phone rang.

The reason for asking about the death dates and places Suzanne was to get an idea of when they might have been born. The death ref would give us either a birth date or age (depending on the year they died) as long as the person registering the death knew their correct age/dob.

Right, bit more information.

The address, Stoney Batter South Crosland, Definitely where my mums family lived... for many years. Including aged Aunts later on, so they won't be on the census but they could be found on old electoral roles I guess? There was a quarry just above the cottages so that all makes sense with the occupations.

Wright and Jemima were def Mary Ellens parents my great great grandparents.

Sykes: George Sykes died in WW1. My mum can't swear for def that George and Edward were twins, she's made the assumption based on her brothers (twins) being named after them. But she still thinks that they were. They are both buried (well it's a memorial stone for George) in South Crosland and she's seen the stones, so I'll go out there with her soon and look them up myself, might I be able to glean vital info from these?

Sorry, forgot to add, Stoney Batter, is the address that 1901 Census above entry is for

I was just going to post this when I saw your reply - now I'm wondering whether perhaps Mary Ellen Sykes remarried?

I have just been looking again at the 1911 that you think might be your Mabel Lunn etc. I assume you are wondering if the Mary Ellen Lunn is the one who married George?
I can't find a death for a Mary E Sykes, or a Mary Ellen Sykes in Huddersfield of the right age. Can anyone else?

This is the 1911 easier to read -

Address Stoney Batter South Crosland Near Huddersfield
Parish South Crosland
Type of Building Farm
Administrative County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Registration District Huddersfield
Registration Sub District Honley

Name Wright Lunn - Head – M – 60 - c1851
Occupation Rock Quarrier and Farmer
Place of Birth Yorks Meltham

Jemmia Lunn – Wife – F - married - Age 56 – c1855 - married 32 Years - Place of Birth Yorks Crosland
Total Children Born Alive 3
Children Still Living 3

Mary Ellen Lunn – Daughter – F – 18 – c1893 - Place of Birth Yorks Crosland – Mother of Winifred Sykes?

Norman Lunn – son – M – 29 – c1882 - Farmers Son Working On Farm - Place of Birth Yorks Crosland

May Elizabeth Lunn - Daughter In Law - F – 28 – c1883 – Married 5 Years - Total Children Born Alive 1 - Children Still Living 1
Place of Birth Yorks Meltham

Name Mabel B Lunn – Granddaughter – F – 4 – c1907 –
Place of Birth Yorks Crosland

p.s. This looks like the birth of Mary Ellen -

Births Jun 1893
Lunn Mary Ellen Huddersfield 9a 273

That's them Christine,

All of my mums grandparents were dead by the time she was born. that was 1943 but they were def called Wright and Jemima and lived at Stoney Batter, so I'm confident they're my relatives.

My mum thinks Mabels mum is called Mary though and not May (and looking at the original, it def says May), as she remembers an Auntie Mary and an Auntie Annie who lived at Stoney Batter later, in the 1940s. Of course May could have died and there be another Mary knocking around by that time. I called all aged friends and relatives 'Auntie' when I was a kid so it does get confusing. Mabel was always Auntie Mabel as were her pals Edi and Edna who weren't related at all.

Norman and his Wife May and daughter, Mabel, lived with his Parents by the looks of the 1911 census

My mum thinks she might have a picture somewhere of George in uniform so I may be able to find out his regiment from that

Well this looks like his death -

Casualty Details
Name: SYKES, GEORGE
Initials: G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Machine Gun Corps (Infantry)
Unit Text: 206th Coy.
Age: 31
Date of Death: 13/05/1917
Service No: 61647
Additional information: Son of Joe and Sarah Ann Sykes, of Moor Lane, Netherton; husband of Mary Ellen Sykes, of North End, South Crosland, Netherton, Huddersfield.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Bay 10.
Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL

I'll pose the question, 'did Mary Ellen Re-marry... ?' . I've set my mother off now so we'll go visit a cousin of hers to see if she knows more.

I think we might be getting somewhere now -

This looks like him with parents in 1901 -

Name: George Sykes
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joe Sykes
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Sykes
Gender: Male
Where born: South Crosland, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: South Crosland
Ecclesiastical parish: South Crosland Holy Trinity
County/Island: Yorkshire
Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Honley
Joe Sykes 45
Sarah Ann Sykes 44
Arthur S Sykes 15
George Sykes 13
Harriet Emily Sykes 12
Marion Sykes 9
Henry Sykes 8
Ada Sykes 6
Wilfred Sykes 3

?????????

Name: SYKES, GEORGE
Initials: G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Machine Gun Corps (Infantry)
Unit Text: 206th Coy.
Age: 31
Date of Death: 13/05/1917
Service No: 61647
Additional information: Son of Joe and Sarah Ann Sykes, of Moor Lane, Netherton; husband of Mary Ellen Sykes, of North End, South Crosland, Netherton, Huddersfield.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Bay 10.
Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL

ooh you little star! That must be him. It's coming together. There're still Sykes out at North End/Moor End.