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Victoria Index to Outward Passengers to Interstate, U.K. and Foreign Ports, 1852-1908

1861 to 1867
MILLER ROBERT 28 NOR WESTER... DEC 1861 Destination: PORT CHALMERS... DEC 1861
MILLER ROBERT 34 WM JACKSON... MAR 1863 Destination: OTAGO... MAR 1863
MILLER ROBERT 25 HYDRA........ FEB 1862 OTAGO... FEB 1862


May also have departed from another State?

Tony -- I was the one who first suggested "prosperous", referring to the son being in a boarding school in 1871, you didn't notice?

And I wasn't rebutting what either of us said when I said less prosperous than deceased *in 1871*.

Prosperous in Australia in 1860
Deceased in England in 1867

Not at all mutually exclusive, and quite possibly identical.

"I will try and find out my end if Robert Clarke Miller did return to UK. I assume he would have come home for the funeral of his son who died 10 Sep 1898 at West Bridgford, or at least to pay his respects, if he knew about it in time."

James ... is there a reason to dismiss the deaths I posted?

Deaths Dec 1867
Miller Robert Clark 35 Worksop 7b 17

Deaths Mar 1867
Miller Amelia 34 Nottingham 7b 135


The right names, the right place, the right ages ... and an explanation for the son being in a boarding school in the next census.

You're not thinking logically. (I don't think there were Zeppellin trips between the UK and Australia.)

Robert Clark Miler was born in 1831.

The odds of him being alive in Australia in 1911 are pretty slim. The odds of those deaths in Worksop being him and his wife are extremely high, for all the reasons I've noted.


Could you clarify? --

"Elizabeth his wife had 2 sons John Clarke Miller b1886 and James Clarence Miller b 04 Sep 1887. Whereas James married and was living in UK with his own children in 1911, James appears to have vanished of the English map after 1901"

Which one was in the UK in 1911 and which one vanished after 1901? (One was James and one was John but you've called them both James.)

Hi JaneyCanuck,
Sorry about that. Its after the witching hour and I am supposed to be up by 0900 today. John was in UK in 1911 and James doesn't appear after 1901. There is no reason to dismiss the deaths of Robert and Amelia and the GRO stuff I hold does not mention deceased. We just crossed in the post I think. Strange the 2 of them died so young and in the same year, and I agree about the son in boarding school because of their deaths. Apologies all round.

Hi James.

As John Clarke Miller birth was registered in Castlemaine, they have a great Historical society, and may have records relating to your Miller family.

For reference:
http://www.castlemainehistoricalsociety.com/


Cheers. Tony

Hi Tony,
Thank you I will check out that web site. Time for bed I think its after 0130 here. You have been a tremendous help.

Hiya Janey...Ow the bloody hell are ya mate...xx

James.

Your welcome....if i can help with Victoria reference just ask away.

Must go do some gardening...beautiful sunny morning here in Vic.


Cheers. Tony...:>))

PROOF THAT IT WAS ROBERT CLARKE WHO DIED IN 1867


Just had to do it in caps!!!

from ancestry


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941

Name: Robert Clarke Miller
Probate Date: 28 Jan 1869
Death Date: 15 Oct 1867
Death Place: Nottingham, England
Registry: Nottingham


from image:-

The Will with a codicil of Robert Clarke Miller formerly of Castelmaine Australia but late of Worksop in the County of Nottingham, Gentleman, Deceased, who died 15 October 1867 at Worksop aforesaid was proved at Nottingham by the Oaths of Henry Wortley Latham of Worksop aforesaid, Seedsman, and George Baxter of Worksop aforesaid, Druggist, the Executors

Effects under £2,000


you'll have to buy the will to find out who is mentioned in there or how he left his money.





sylvia

can't see a Probate reference for Amelia







sylvia

James


the fact that father was not noted as "deceased" on GRO records means little


it only means that the vicar did not ask the right question!


If he asked "What is the name of your Father?" ................. That does not often elicit the answer "xxxxxx, but he's dead"

If the vicar did not ask "Is your father alive or dead?", then he will not get the answer.



sylvia

Dont you just love it when it all falls into place !

Hi Sylvia,
Tremendous, I bow to your superior knowledge! I will obtain a copy to see who was bequeathed what. As he died after his wife it should all hopefully be John Clarke Miller and any brothers and sisters he had. Once again thank you for all you help and assistance. To say I owe you one is an understatement. If I ever get to my cousins in Wilmot, Nova Scotia one day I will let you know, and buy you a beer. Ta very muchly.

James

Thank you

it was a great feeling to find that!



.......... but I actually live further away from Nova Scotia than you do!!




sylvia

I'd be interested in finding out whether there was any relationship between Henry Wortley Latham, George Baxter and Robert Clarke Miller



sylvia

here's the probate information for John Clarke Miller


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941

Name: John Clarke Miller
Probate Date: 16 Nov 1898
Death Date: 10 Sep 1898
Death Place: Nottinghamshire, England
Registry: Nottingham


from image:-

Miller John Clarke of 8 Patrick Road, West Bridgeford, Nottinghamshire, Gentleman, died 10 September 1898. Probate [granted] Nottingham 16 November to Lilian Elizabeth Miller, widow. Effects £6013 5s 11d




sylvia

Hi again Sylvia,
Just had a quick kip and am getting ready for the off at 0900 for an open day. The extra additions of John Clarke Millers Probate and the other things you have informed me off is an abundance of information I never thought I would get, having stumbled on getting no where. The help from Lesley and TonyOz is also invaluable. I will try Tony again later over the Victoria web site as having had a quick look I see it costs to join. I did have a free 24 hour look for these people on GR.au but to no avail. I think I must also try to find out about Amelia McEwen and her ancestry. Once again many many thanks for the wealth of information. Cheers. James Barrie Newton

Ah, but Sylvia, you visit Nova Scotia! Me, I'm just here in boring Central Canada ... watching "Rake", Tony! (Mick in the Bush recommended it in my thread on Chat and we've watched the first episode and have just downloaded 5 more ... although wishing we had closed captioning on our television to get subtitles for some of it!)

I wonder whether Robert Clarke Miller might have had property in Australia still that called for probate there too. (There was a case of that on the boards here recently, where the will of someone who died in England was probated in Australia for that reason.)

My bet for the deaths of Robert and Amelia might be tuberculosis (phthisis in the old jargon). It took several in a single family in my tree. The death certificates would say.

True, Janey!

I could always arrange to meet James at the pub on the wharf!


we're back out there in July :)))


It did seem to me that "under £2000" was not a lot of money, even for 1867 .... so you could be correct in thinking there might be something to find in Australia.


I did try looking on the australian newspaper site, trove.nla


sylvia

I googled Robert Clarke Miller, and found the following

File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
Bailiff, Robert Clarke Miller. Governor of Gaol, John McEwen. Visiting Justice, George Harrison,. Sheriff for Sandhurst, Richard Colles ...
www.unlockthepast.com.au/sites/default/files/samples/AU7113-1865s.pdf


I couldn't read it, but think it's just a listing of "businesses" in Melbourne

But I found the juxtaposition of Robetr Clarke Miller and John McEwen ineresting



sylvia

I'd noticed it too, hadn't pursued it.


SANDS & McDOUGALL'S
MELBOURNE AND SUBURBAN
DIRECTORY
FOR 1865.

STREET, ALPHABETICAL, AND TRADE DIRECTORY
MELBOURNE AND SUBURBS,
TOGETHER WITH A
MISCELLANEOUS DIRECTORY OF USEFUL INFORMATION

It's under the heading Legal, subheading Sheriff's Department, a list of names and positions.

... Bailiff, Robert Clarke Miller
Governor of Gaol, John McEwen
Visiting Justice, George Harrison, ...