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Hi Maddie,
Thank you for that ,I was hoping she was my Eliza staying with family, but as she was born in Nottinghamshire
I don’t think she is, well that is one down.
Thanks you.
Ann

here is the transcript
Name Eliza Harman
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1847
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation Servant
Address 11, Chapel Court
District St George Southwark, Kent Road
Parish St George
Administrative County London, Surrey
Birth Place
Birth County Nottinghamshire

Please

I have found the following in the Index is it possible for someone to look it up,

GR 1861 census index Harman Eliza 1847 St George Southwark, Kent Road [no place of birth given]
F my P Household HARMAN, Eliza 1847 14 F St George Southwark London, Surrey
Thank you.
Ann

Thank you Bee, that is what I suspected, another mystery solved.
Ann

Hi Ann

I've got a christening at Witney St Mary for William Frederick Harman on 19 Feb 1860 son of Mary Ann no father

Bee

Thank you very much Maddie,
That looks like his birth you found, I wonder there is a baptism for him?
I am not sure about the census you found, Thank for the list of Hermon’s in 1861
I will have to have a look & think about it.
Ann

probably not much help but this is variations of hermon for 1861
Household HERMAN, Alice 1861 0 F Henley Oxfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household HERMAN, Ann 1829 32 F Henley Oxfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household HERMAN, Bernard 1819 42 M Headington Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record] VIEW
Household HERMAN, Charles 1859 2 M Henley Oxfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household HERMAN, Edward ... 1847 14 M Headington Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record] VIEW
Household HERMAN, Eliza 1852 9 F Headington Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record] VIEW
Household HERMAN, Elizabeth 1859 2 F Headington Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record] VIEW
Household HERMAN, Frances 1811 50 F Thame Oxfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household HERMAN, George 1832 29 M Henley Oxfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household HERMAN, Harry 1849 12 M Thame Oxfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household HERMAN, James 1807 54 M Thame Oxfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household HERMAN, Martha 1788 73 F Henley Oxfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household HERMAN, Martha 1825 36 F Headington Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record] VIEW
Household HERMAN, Martha 1855 6 F Headington Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record] VIEW
Household HERMAN, Mary Ann 1826 35 F Oxford Oxfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household HERMAN, Sarah 1780 81 F Henley Oxfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household HERMAN, Thomas 1810 51 M Henley Oxfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household HERMAN, Thomas 1851 10 M Headington Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record] VIEW
Household HERMAN, William 1850 11 M Headington Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record] VIEW
Household HERMON, Ann 1821 40 F Bicester Oxfordshire VIEW VIEW
Household HERMON, Lucy 1807 54 F Thame Oxfordshire VIEW VIEW

the nearest i can find
HERMAN, Bernard Head Married M 42 1819 ...
Hamsey
Bedfordshire VIEW
HERMAN, Martha Wife Married F 36 1825 ...
Horsepath
Oxfordshire VIEW
HERMAN, Edward ... Son Unmarried M 14 1847 Scholar
Horsepath
Oxfordshire VIEW
HERMAN, William Son Unmarried M 11 1850 Scholar
Horsepath
Oxfordshire VIEW
HERMAN, Thomas Son Unmarried M 10 1851 Scholar
Horsepath
Oxfordshire VIEW
HERMAN, Eliza Daughter F 9 1852 Scholar
Horsepath
Oxfordshire VIEW
HERMAN, Martha Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar
Horsepath
Oxfordshire VIEW
HERMAN, Elizabeth Daughter F 2 1859
Horsepath
Oxfordshire VIEW
RG number:
RG09 Piece:
889 Folio:
101 Page:
10

Registration District:
Headington Sub District:
1 Wheatley Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Headington Quarry

Civil Parish:
Horsepath Municipal Borough:
Address:
Farm... Buildins, Horsepath, Horsepath County:
Oxfordshire

looks like william's birth
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: HERMON, William Henry Thomas
Registration District: Help Oxford
County: Oxfordshire
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: Help 3A
Page No: Help 577
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please

Hi Bee,
Thank you very much for the info, I hope you had a good weekend.

I don’t know if you or any one can help? I have Elizabeth Davis Harman bap 9 Sept 1849 Witney, no death found in Witney? Free BMD, she is on 1851 census, age 2,Corn Street, Witney, Oxfordshire I cant find her on the 1861 census index?

Also please find can anyone the William HERMON, Nephew M 12 1859 Oxfordshire, is with Henry & Sarah Paine in the 1871 [see above]
I cant find him in the 1861 census index, under HARMON or HERMON? who’s son was he?
Thank you.
Ann

Christenings at Witney St Mary

8 Jan 1860 Emily Payne - father Innkeeper
27 Oct 1861 Henry James Paine - father innkeeper
20 Sept 1863 Charles Harman Paine - father publican

Also the marriage at Witney St Mary

27 Sept 1858
Henry James Paine f/a Inkeeper to
Sarah Eliza Harman f/a

Witnesses: Charles Harman & Ellen Buckingham
Fathers: James Paine a Porter & Charles Harman a Cloth Draper

Morning Ann

Here's the christenings for the Summertown children, will look for the others later for you

30 June 1867 George William & Elizabeth - father a publican
3 July 1870 Frederick John - father a labourer

Bee

Hi Maddie,
Thank you very much, that is great, & a bonus other family members with them.
Thanks,
Ann

from ancestry

The 1871 Census
is provided in
association with:
1871 England Census
about Sarah Paine
Name: Sarah Paine
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Hy Paine
Gender: Female
Where born: Witney, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: Summertown
Town: Summertown
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Headington
Sub-registration district: St Clement
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 46
Piece: 1436
Folio: 9
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Hy Paine 41
Sarah Paine 36
Emily Paine 11
Henry Paine 9
Charles Paine 7
William Paine 4
Elizabeth Paine 4
Frederick Paine 1
William Herman

1871
PAINE, Hy Head M 41 1830 Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record]
PAINE, Sarah Wife F 36 1835 Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record]
PAINE, Emily Daughter F 11 1860 Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record]
PAINE, Henry Son M 9 1862 Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record]
PAINE, Charles Son M 7 1864 Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record]
PAINE, William Son M 4 1867 Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record]
PAINE, Elizabeth Daughter F 4 1867 Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record]
PAINE, Frederick Son M 1 1870 Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record]
HERMON, William Nephew M 12 1859 Oxfordshire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record]
RG number:
RG10 Piece:
1436 Folio:
9 Page:
11

Registration District:
Headington Sub District:
St Clement Enumeration District:
17 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
St Giles Municipal Borough:
Address:
Diamond Street, St Giles County:
Oxfordshire

1861
PAINE, Henry Head Married M 29 1832 ...
Oxford
Oxfordshire VIEW
PAINE, Sarah Wife Married F 25 1836
Witney
Oxfordshire VIEW
PAINE, Emelyn Daughter F 1 1860
Witney
Oxfordshire VIEW
BARMAN, Emma Sister In Law Unmarried F 20 1841
Witney
Oxfordshire VIEW
WOODHILL, John Lodger Unmarried M 24 1837 Stone Bricksmaker
Banbury
Oxfordshire VIEW
WOODHILL, Fredk Robert Lodger Unmarried M 27 1834 Herbalist
Bedford
Bedfordshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Fanny Lodger Married F 25 1836
...
Northamptonshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Fred F Lodger M 1 1860
Cirencester
Gloucestershire VIEW
ROBERTS, William F Lodger M 0 (6M) 1861
Witney
Oxfordshire VIEW
RG number:
RG09 Piece:
907 Folio:
60 Page:
8

Registration District:
Witney Sub District:
3 Witney Enumeration District:
12 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Witney

Civil Parish:
Witney Municipal Borough:
Address:
Angel Inn, Church Green, Witney County:
Oxfordshire

Please can someone look up the 1861 & if possible the 1871 census,
[ I have the1881] for

Henry James Paine, Innkeeper? Born c1831 Oxford Oxfordshire
Sarah Eliza [nee Harman] born c1837 Witney Oxfordshire.
Thank you,
Ann

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about William Harman

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death 32
DISTRICT: Witney
COUNTY: Berkshire, Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 429