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Thanks for the links Flick, although I can't access the last one for some reason.

On the other two I can't find any reference to the marriage between William & Ann. Does anyone have the facility to find details of their marriage?
Or access to census records to see if there were any other siblings other than Agnes Lydia Wallace that Dea found previously.

Try looking for their marriage on freebmd

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

If you don't find it there, look on the LDS sites.

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start

All are free sites.......keep them in your favourites....you'll find them very useful

Birth certificate has arrived for my GG Grandfather Thomas Wallace.

Thomas was born on 19/11/1841 at 21 South Street,Chelsea,London W1K 2XB
(Just looked on streetview!!! wish I lived there now)

Father- William Wallace-Servant
Mother-Ann Wallace formerly Jeffries

I would really appreciate if anyone can help with any siblings/marriage for William & Ann or parents for either of them.

Eugenie,

Come back and post the details on this thread as soon as you receive the cert and we can continue to work from there.

Dea x

Sorry, I didn't think my previous comment had posted-ignore the duplicate.

Flick, Seeing as you have already found the possible birth record for Thomas Wallace in 1841 ( I will send for a copy, just a shame it takes so long to come through) it does look as if the Thomas in 1861 @ Winchester barracks may not be my relative.
Sorry to be dim but where did you find he was a fully fledged tailor and employed four staff by 1871?

Dea, the William & Ann/Martha is intriguing. I have not come across a Norfolk like before so that is interesting, I was starting to think I came from a very long London line.
Once I get the birth cert for the son-Thomas at least I will know his mothers name. I suppose William could have married twice?

Thank you both/all for your efforts and knowledge, it is proving to be a great help.

Yes, Eugenie, I do think you're mistaken in thinking the chap in 1861 is 'your's......

And Dea has verified that by her posting of 1861.

The 1871 census I posted for him earlier states that he is employing 4 men.

The birth cert will be a big step forward for you.........enabling you to look for the marriage of his parents.

There are some possibilities for the marriage on freebmd, but I don't believe in working on anything other than facts...........

It looks as though her name may have been 'Martha Ann' but that she used her middle name of 'Ann' most of the time.

Dea x

I will apply for the birth cert that Flick kindly provided the reference No for in an earlier posting (Wallace Thomas William -Chelsea 3 41 ). Just a shame it takes days to come through!!

Flick-do you think I am making a mistake in thinking the Thomas Wallace in 1861 @ Winchester barracks is my relative?
Sorry to appear dim but where did you find he was a tailor employing four people by 1871?

Dea- Are you thinking that William Wallace was married to Martha rather than Ann?
I have never come across Norfolk link before, so that is interesting.

Again, I would like to thank you all for your amazing efforts and knowledge.

This is Thomas's sister Agnes's wedding:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Agnes Lydia Wallace Name: Agnes Lydia Wallace
Spouse Name: George Green Goulding
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 22 Feb 1869
Parish: St Pancras Old Church
COUNTY: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Father Name: William Wallace - Coachman

Dea x

P.S. - MUST go now, I am sitting here still in my 'jimmy jams' and I have LOTS to do!!!!!!!!

See you all later.

Dea x

Yes, I looked at that 1841 too Ginns but, as you say, he states he was not born in Norfolk so I am not sure???

I can't find another one to fit though.

Dea x

Well done Dea.....I wonder if this is William


1841 England Census
about William Wallace
Name: William Wallace
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Woodton
Hundred: Loddon
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England


Registration district: Loddon
Sub-registration district: Woodton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 779
Book: 21
Folio: 12
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
William Wallace 30 TAYLOR


Edit: I think it states not born in the parish :(

Thank you Flick - I am sure it is them, although a cert is required to prove me right.

Dea x

NIce one for 1861, Dea.........

I've seen other Francis/Thomas 'swaps' on old censuses...........and everything else fits 100%

Looks like Francis is back to William now? (WALLACE on image!).

1851:
WALLER, William Head Married M 40 1811 Coach Man Astaction Norfolk
WALLER, Anne Wife Married F 47 1804 Welbourn Norfolk
WALLER, William Son Unmarried M 10 1841 Chelsea Middlesex
WALLER, Agnes Daughter Unmarried F 6 1845 Saint George Hanover Square Middlesex

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RG number:HO107 Piece:1475 Folio:622 Page:26

Registration District:
Saint George Hanover Square Sub District:
Hanover Square Enumeration District:
27 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Saint George Hanover Square Municipal Borough:
Westminster Address:
Reeves Mews, Saint George Hanover Square, Westminster County:
Middlesex



Dea x

Now this is interesting ??? - Following through from the above William + Ann...

WALLACE, William Head Married M 50 1811 Stableman Long Stratton Norfolk
WALLACE, Matha A Wife Married F 53 1808 Stableman Wife Milbourne Norfolk
WALLACE, Francis W Son Unmarried M 19 1842 **Tailor Chelsea Middlesex ******* ?????
WALLACE, Agnes L Daughter Unmarried F 15 1846 Scholar St George Hanover Square Middlesex

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
46 Folio:
97 Page:
28

Registration District:
St George Hanover Square Sub District:
2 May Fair Enumeration District:
17 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Georges

Civil Parish:
St Georges Hanover Square Municipal Borough:
Westminster Address:
27, Hays Mews, St Georges Hanover Square, Westminster County:
London, Middlesex


I will go and look further.....

Dea x

This looks like William + Ann on 1871?

WALLACE, William Head M 60 1811 Norfolk ........... Coachman !!
WALLACE, Ann Wife F 60 1811 Norfolk

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RG number:RG10 Piece:102 Folio:53 Page:28

Registration District:
St George Hanover Square Sub District:
May Fair Enumeration District:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St George Municipal Borough:
Westminster Address:
Hay's Mews, St George, Westminster County:
London, Middlesex

Dea x

Is this the one to which you refer for 1861?

Name: Thomas Wallace
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Winchester St Thomas
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Winchester
Sub-registration district: Winchester
ED, institution, or vessel: Barracks
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 691
Folio: 173
Page Number: 38


One year younger than 'your' Thomas, and I would have thought that a man who wasa fully-fledged Tailor, employing four men in 1871 would have been serving his apprenticeship in 1861.

To the best of my knowledge, there was no such thing as 'National Service' in the 1860's.......that was a strictly post-WW2 concept

1881 England Census
about Thomas W. Wallace
Name: Thomas W. Wallace
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Lodger (Head) (Lodger)
Spouse's Name: Emma Wallace
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Chelsea
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 42 Smith St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Tailor

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 77
Folio: 118
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas W. Wallace 39
Emma Wallace 36
Mary Wallace 13
Henry F. Wallace 12
Willie Wallace 6
Effie Wallace 3
Frank Wallace 1
Annie Burns 18 Servant

Thanks Flick, that accounts for him after national service in the 1861 census.
I have also found a marriage certificate for Thomas & Emma dated 12/7/1874-which is where I got the William Wallace name from.