Find Ancestors

Hi sorry for delay, informant is her mother Mary Kelly, date is 4/9/1915, its just that we have other documents saying her name was Elizabeth Ann Kelly and on this birth cert it was Annie Elizabeth Kelly, we just wondered if this was common.

Marion, what year is the birth for and who the informant on the cert.

The GRO(I) index thru 1958 (excl N. Ireland post-partition) is available at:
https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1®ion=EUROPE

One can purchase certs (or cheaper still, the uncertified images of the rego) via:
http://www.groireland.ie/

The Irish 1901/1911 censuses are free at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
[Not heard of any release dates for next census (=1926 in both Irelands)]

The plot thickens, do you think its probable that Elizabth ann's name is slighlty different ? on my mum's birth cert it says Elizabeth Ann Kelly, and on the admissions and discharge reg it said Elizabeth Kelly, mother Mary Kelly,mother lived at Birr County rd Offaly. Then we found out from local church that she had 8 siblings and father was Francis Kelly, so we ordered birth cert and that says Annie Elizabeth Kelly still with same parents and still Birr Co Offaly. Is this usual can anyone tell me? can we assume it is the correct birth cert if everything is same except name slightly different? we are a bit worried now.
:-S

Yes, I will ,thankyou .

You'll have to order her birth cert

http://www.groireland.ie/

General Register Office, Government Offices,
Convent Road, Roscommon.
Tel: +353 (0) 90 6632900
LoCall: 1890 252076
Fax: +353 (0) 90 6632999
Fax: +353 (0) 90 6632988

Just been informed that the children with the full date of birth and the others with month of birth may actually be baptism or confirmation dates.

thankyou everyone,its so weird to think all these people are my relatives, I now know at least where I am from. How would I find Elizabeths full date of birth? many thanks again all.

Hi

To view the Marriage Details of Mary Murphy & Francis Kelly at offaly.rootsireland.ie it costs 5 Euro's. This should give you more info.

Suzanne

This marriage is coming up on http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/

Both Mary & Francis father's are a Patrick.

The child Patrick in the 1911 census is also coming up with mother Maria Murphy, along with Maria Agnes 1911 & a Catharina 1913 [Kathleen]

Name: Francis Kelly
Registration District: Birr
Event Type: MARRIAGES
Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1910
Estimated Birth Year:
Age (at Death):
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101262
Volume Number: 3
Page Number: 305
Digital Folder Number: 4199364
Image Number: 00024
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958

Name: Mary Murphy
Registration District: Birr
Event Type: MARRIAGES
Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1910
Estimated Birth Year:
Age (at Death):
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101262
Volume Number: 3
Page Number: 305
Digital Folder Number: 4199364
Image Number: 00032
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958

Residents of a house 52 in Pound Street (Birr Urban, King's Co.)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Kelly Francis 29 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Galway General Labourer Read and write English Married - - - -
Kelly Mary 21 Female Wife Roman Catholic Kings Co - Read and write English Married - 1 1 1
Kelly Patrick Male Son Roman Catholic Kings Co - Cannot r

Hi,I have found out loads of info again,have been in touch will the local catholic church and they were very helpful ,she has sent me so much info.

She found the family, and before they lived in Eden rd,Birr,they lived at Pound st,Birr.
Parents of Elizabeth are Francis Kelly and Mary Kelly (nee Murphy).
Francis (junior) possiblyLawrence born Oct 1910
Agnes born Nov 1911
Kathleen born Jan 1913 (my mum's godmother on the baptism cert)
Elizabeth born sept 1916 (My mum's birth mother)
These were just confirmation records so no exact dates of birth.Then there were some more children,as follows
William Joseph (born 20/8/1916,unsure if correct,but woman at church said they often lied about age to get them in to school earlier)
Teresa born 22/9/1919
Josephine born 13/6/1923
Marie Cyrilene born 22/12/1925
and finally Anne Christina born 7/6/1928

I have loads of infobut have no idea what to do with it all at the moment,can anyone find anything more out fromthis info?would be hugley grateful. Marian

Marian

Regarding the 1911 Census of your family. If you look at the actual copy of the census the transcribers have miss spelt some of the details. It looks like Mary Kelly's parents are Annie Kelly Not Keay as spelt and Denis Kelly Not Keay as spelt.

The family are also listed at the same address on the 1901 census.

I have a few of my own irish relatives on the census that have been miss spelt too.

Suzanne

Hi, a friend saw the first one on your list andI think it looks promising,they also saw a Kathleen Kelly from Birr birth 1913, so could be her sister,I know it's a bit ifs and buts , but am feeling optimistic now.I have emailed the nearest roman catholic church in Birr to see if they may look for maybe baptism certs for them both.
Thank you for helping
Marian

This is a tricky one as Elizabeth wouldn't be eligible to vote until the voting age for women was changed from 30 to 21 in 1938. By which time she may not have been living with her mother or may have married soon after 1938 and be registered under a different name.

If you look at the 1911 Irish census there are lots of Kellys in King's County (which became Co. Offally after the establishment of the Irish Free State)

From the Familsearch.org beta site there are a few possibilities for Elizabeth's birth, assuming that she was born in King's County. Remember too that if the family were RC the "Anne" may have been added as a confirmation name.


Name: Elizabeth Kelly
Registration District: Birr
Event Type: BIRTHS
Registration Quarter and Year: Apr - Jun 1916
Estimated Birth Year:
Age (at Death):
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101076
Volume Number: 3
Page Number: 287
Digital Folder Number: 4194695
Image Number: 00400


Name: Annie Elizabeth Kelly
Registration District: Birr
Event Type: BIRTHS
Registration Quarter and Year: Jul - Sep 1915
Estimated Birth Year:
Age (at Death):
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101076
Volume Number: 3
Page Number: 270
Digital Folder Number: 4194695
Image Number: 00180


Name: Annie Elizabeth Kelly
Registration District: Birr
Event Type: BIRTHS
Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1915
Estimated Birth Year:
Age (at Death):
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101076
Volume Number: 3
Page Number: 295
Digital Folder Number: 4194695
Image Number: 00041

Just looked at date,and she would be too young to have Elizabeth,never mind,it was 18 Eden rd if anyone can look for me.

That's Elizabeth's mother,Mary Kelly,she lived therein 1938,wow. Do you think oneof the others is her mum?,this is getting interesting,we now have the age of Elizabeth's mum too now,
Thankyou rootgatherer and everyone else. Her mother lived in Eden rd and I can now see it says Birr,County Offaly.
I feel we are getting there for sure.

The only Kelly showing in Eden Street in 1911.

Residents of a house 5 in Eden Street (Birr Urban, King's Co.)

Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living

Brennan William 60 Male Head of Family R C Curch Kings Labourer General Read and write - Widower - 37 10 9
Keay Annie 20 Female Daughter R C Curch Kings - Read and write - Married - 1 1 1
Brennan Bridget 18 Female Daughter R C Curch Kings Co General Servant Unemployed Read and write - Single - - - -
Brennan Joseph 15 Male Son R C Curch Kings Co Printer Compositor Read and write - Single - - - -
Keay Denis 30 Male Son in Law R C Curch Kings Co Smith - Black Read and write - Single - 1 1 1
Kelly Mary 8 months Female Grand Daughter R C Curch Kings Co - Cannot read or write - Single - - - -

County Offaly (Irish: Contae Uíbh Fhailí) is one of the administrative counties of the Republic of Ireland and one of the thirty-two traditional counties of the island of Ireland. It is located in the province of Leinster and is part of the administrative Midlands Region. It was formerly known as King's County until the establishment of the Irish Free State in 1922