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Ji Jan thankyou for replying, im trying to find my great grandfather who was Alfred Henry Payton, I have him as being born in Clerkenwell approx 1867 and he was married to Loisa Fruish, the 1901 census shows him as married to Louisa and lived with his son Alfred John, daughter Ada Florence (my grandmother) and stepson Charles Fruish, but unfortunately i cant find anything before 1901, someone kindly sent me some info for a Henry Payton but i am sure this is not him as the 1901 and 1911 census dont tie in with the names, thankyou Heather

What is it you are looking for HH? (Haven't been back in a while and have lost track a bit!)
Jan

Hi anyone got any news on Alfred Payton im still digging and cant find a thing, except im sure he was Alfred Henry and not Henry as per the earlier post cause that doesnt fit with the 1901 and 1911 census am stumped
:-(

I have my doubts as to that being the family as well.
Wouldn't this end up being Henry in 1911 then?
1911 census transcription details for: 35 Willes Road Kentish Town N W


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Reg. District: St Pancras Sub District: North St Pancras
Parish: St Pancras Enum. District: 9
Address: 35 Willes Road Kentish Town N W
County: London

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
PAYTON, Henry Herbert Head Married M 41 1870 Relining Office ( Relieving Officer ) London St Pancras
PAYTON, Ellen Wife Married
15 years F 37 1874 London St Pancras
PAYTON, Winiford Maud Daughter F 14 1897 School London St Pancras
AUSTIN, Rowland George Boarder Single M 21 1890 Work House Master Clerk London Hackney


The father's (Alfred's) occupation on the marriage certificate is relief stamper, so possibly in the stationery trade ?

Maureen

Hi, thankyou for your replys, i am not sure if this is the man im looking for, the definatesi have are my grandmother Ada Florence Payton born c 1898 her father was Alfred Henry Payton born c1867 Clerkenwell, i have the London England Marriages and Bans 1754 - 1921 which shows Alfred Henry Payton est YOB 1868 married Louisa Ellen Fruish on 7 October 1894, it shows the grooms father as Alfred Payton a railway Stamper???

John Morris Payton
Pedigree
Male
Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: John Morris Payton
Family

Marriages:
Spouse: Eliza Harris
Family
Marriage:
31 DEC 1838 Henbury, Gloucester, England

marriages for Henrys sibling
John Martin Payton abt 1855 30 Jun 1881 Isabella Russell Clerkenwell St Peter
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Henry Harris Payton abt 1866 16 Sep 1866 Jane Whiffen Holy Trinity, Marylebone Road
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Keziah Elizabeth Payton 30 Sep 1871 James Martin Buckthorpe St Pancras Old St Pancras
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Emily Jemima Payton 17 Apr 1875 Alfred Roddick Islington Holy Trinity
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I remember looking her up for someone a while back


>>Kerenhappuch Payton 26 Jul 1877 John Wilson Walker Somers Town Christ Church
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Mary Ann Payton 13 Dec 1879 William John Mulvey Islington Holy Trinity

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Henry Harris Payton
Name: Henry Harris Payton
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Spouse Name: Jane Whiffen
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 16 Sep 1866
Parish: Holy Trinity, Marylebone Road
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: John Morris Payton mason
Spouse Father Name: William Whiffen solicitor

baptisms
Florence Janet Payton 18 Dec 1867 Henry Harris Payton,
Jane Payton St Pancras St Paul Camden
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Edward William Payton 24 Nov 1872 Henry Harris Payton,
Jane Payton Somers Town Christ Church Camden
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Henry Herbert Payton 24 Nov 1872 Henry Harris Payton, Clerk
Jane Payton Somers Town Christ Church Camden born April4 1869

1891 England Census about Henry Payton
Name: Henry Payton
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Payton
Gender: Male
Where born: Pancrasweek, London, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 134
Folio: 22
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Payton 47
Jane Payton 45
Florence Payton 23
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Henry Payton 22
Edward Payton 18
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1901 England Census about Henry Payton
Name: Henry Payton
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Payton
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, London, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Regent's Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 509
Piece: 135
Folio: 108
Page Number: 61
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Payton 57 relieving officer
Jane Payton 55
Edith Potts 26



tree on ancestry give this as your man, marriage gives father as relief stamper.







So its Henry not alfred !

Hello there me again !!! thankyou all so very much for your helping me find details of my ancestor louisa fruish, but guess what im stuck again, im looking for her second husband alfred henry payton born approx 1867 clerkenwell, i know his father too was called alfred but i cant find anything prior to 1901 when he lived in stoke newington with louisa and there children alfred john and ada florence, thankyou heather

Wow thats amazing thank you so very much awesome

Sarah Ann Piddell married Charles Thomkinson on 2 Aug 1857.
Witnesses were John Brown and Ellen Piddell.
Both bride and groom had the same address of Hill St.
Brides father Joseph Piddell a Butler.
Grooms father Charles Thomkinson a Porter.

Deaths Sep 1849 (>99%)
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Piddell Joseph St James 1 122

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1851

Name: Sarah Siddell
[Sarah Piddell]
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Crowan, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Westminster St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: St James Westminster
Sub-registration district: Berwick Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 292
Piece: 1483
Folio: 33
Page Number: 56
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Siddell 53
Elizabeth Siddell 22
Sarah Siddell 15
Ellen Siddell 13

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Name: Sarah Ann Piddell
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 17 Sep 1837
Baptism/Christening Place: St. Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Joseph Piddell
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah Piddell
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01356-9
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1468821
Reference Number: item 2 p 18
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

You certainly are using the board correctly - adding you feedback on here means that it can be seen by everyone who has tried to help you.

The marriage of Louisa's parents

Marriages Sep 1857 (>99%)
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Pearl Margaret Newington 1d 259
Piddell Sarah Ann Newington 1d 259 <<<<<<<<<<
Tomkinson Charles Newington 1d 259 <<<<<<<<<
Tyack William Newington 1d 259

Fits with the 1861 census.

Thankyou everyone so very very much that is so much more information in a few minutes than i have found in 3 years i dont know if i am using the site correctly, maybe not, thankyou all again for taking the time to help me, i have so much now to go on it should keep me busy for a while, thankyou again and any other hints or help you may be able to offer would be gratefully accepted, kind regards to you all, Heather

1876 marriage...Mangled by ancestry :-)

Name: Stephen Jenkins Fenish...Boot Finisher ...37 New Gloucester Street
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Spouse Name: Louisa Ellen Tombinson ...42 New Gloucester Street
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 12 Mar 1876
Parish: St John the Baptist, Hoxton
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Stephen Jenkins Fenish ...Boot Finisher
Spouse Father Name: Charles Tombinson ...Cutter

Witnesses..Charles Tomkinson and Eliza Grant? Barber

Corrections submitted

Chris

1861

Name: Louisa Tomkinson
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: ??As Tomkinson
Mother's name: Sarah Tomkinson
Gender: Female
Where born: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: Clerkenwell
Sub-registration district: Goswell Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 287
Piece: 198
Folio: 64
Page Number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
??As Tomkinson 25 *********************Chas (Charles)
Sarah Tomkinson 25 born BRIGHTON
Louisa Tomkinson 3
Emily Tomkinson 4 MO
Sarah Piddell 63 born Cornwall
William Doney 37
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AND, finally.........1871

Name: Louisa E Tomkinson
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St James Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Goswell Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 187
Piece: 392
Folio: 23
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
William Chambers 29
Harriet Chambers 25
John W Chambers 2
Philip J Chambers 10 Months
Louisa E Tomkinson 13

1891

Name: Louise Fruish
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Clerkenwell, London, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 249
Folio: 139
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Louise Fruish 32
Stephen Fruish 14
Rose Fruish 12
Louise Fruish 9