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You're very welcome Jacquie - do come back on this thread and let us know how you get on.

Thanks so much all of you youre great. I have found out where the records for the little boys home are kept. I am almost sure this is him. Will be applying to them for confirmation.
Thanks again especially Celeste.
Jacquie........

These are links to a sites about the school

http://www.hortonkirbyandsouthdarenth.co.uk/homes_boys.htm

http://www.hortonkirbyandsouthdarenth.co.uk/pdf/centbook/08-Homes%20for%20little%20boys.pdf

pm from Jacquie:

"Please can you give me some more details? Of how to find the boys school info. It looks like it could be an answer to why hes not on any of the Census."

Think this is in relation to the census I posted which could possibly be Herbert in young boys home.

Explained I don't have access to any other records.

Does anyone else have any ideas for Jacquie?

Thanks for the help it certainly looks as though its the right family.Maybe the earlier post about a boys home might be the answer as his mother died when he was 9. I was aways told he was the black sheep of the family.....dont know why ? However there was always a Gervaise mentioned in the dim past and this family tree I have made contact with would make a Gervaise his GG Grandfather. so lots of pointers. I will get the birth certificate and see where it goes from there.
Once again thanks for your help and interest jacquie........

Very strange that he is never listed in the census as living with the father that he lists on his marriage cert. Maybe his birth cert would be one way forward.

Hi if that Henry James widower on herberts banns was married to Eliza Coop that would prove the line I am chasing. It is posted above showing just some of the children nowhere can I find him listed along side all the others. I believe Henry James 1842 father was also Henry James 1813 married to Eliza Watson. Thank you.

1891 peckham
Henry J Bradbury widower upholsterer as on banns for herberts marriage
Emily daughter 1884 same as on 1901 census.

There are a few trees with Henry james bradbury married to eliza mary coop say henry james died Wandsworth 1902.

1901 census says Henry James Bradberry is married.

15/3/1896 Henry James bradberry age 56 widower upholsterer of Packstone Street married Esther Rea age 56 widower dad Joseph Severight.
Dad of Henry James was a solicitor.


Maryb

If he were 6 months old on the 1881 census he would have been born in 1880 as the 1881 was taken on 3 April.

Thanks Marie its a possibility as they all lived in later life around Kent area and earlier relatives in Ramsgate.. Sorry earlier post mistake..... meant 1881/89 is missing link.
Thanks Jaq

That's really strange. I would have thought he'd fit in here somewhere :
1891 census transcription details for: 214, Albert Road, Camberwell, Peckham
RG number: RG12 Piece: 477 Folio: 63 Page: 16

Reg. District: Camberwell Sub District: Peckham
Parish: Camberwell Enum. District: 22
Ecclesiastical District: St Antholin City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 214, Albert Road, Camberwell, Peckham
County: London

BRADBURY, Henry J Head Widower M 49 1842 Upholsterer
Islington
Middlesex
BRADBURY, Lawson Tomson Son Married M 24 1867 Compositor
Battersea
Surrey
BRADBURY, Eliza Sister In Law Married F 24 1867
Westminster
London
BRADBURY, Llewellyn Son Single M 22 1869 Carpet Planner
Battersea
Surrey
BRADBURY, Edwin A Son Single M 19 1872 Railway Porter
Battersea
Surrey
BRADBURY, Edith Daughter Single F 15 1876 Dressmakers Apprentice
Chelsea
Middlesex
BRADBURY, Emily Daughter Single F 7 1884
Westminster
London
TURNER, Annie Visitor Single F 24 1867
Cranswick
Yorkshire

1881 census transcription details for: 11, Bury St, Chelsea
RG number: RG11 Piece: 82 Folio: 22 Page: 37

Reg. District: Chelsea Sub District: Chelsea North-West
Parish: Chelsea Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 11, Bury St, Chelsea
County: Middlesex

BRADBURY, Henry Head Married M 39 1842 Reporter
Hoxton
Middlesex
BRADBURY, Emma Wife Married F 35 1846
Walworth
Surrey
BRADBURY, Thompson Son Single M 14 1867 Confectioners Boy
Peckham
Surrey
BRADBURY, Llewellyn Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
Battersea
Surrey
BRADBURY, Edwin Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Battersea
Surrey
BRADBURY, Edith Daughter Single F 4 1877
Chelsea
Middlesex
BRADBURY, Mable Daughter Single F 2 1879
Chelsea
Middlesex

Maureen

Thank you so much thats great. Thats the line I had been given with the addition of Ethel 1883 and Mabel 1879. I am trying to prove Herbert James came in at 1881 and then I can trace them right back. That seems the missing link the 1181/9 Census.
Thanks you are a star

If mum had recently died then this 1891 is a possible:

Person: BRADBURY, Herbert
Institution: Home For Little Boys South Darenth, South Darenth Horton Kirby

BRADBURY, Herbert Inmate Scholar M 10 1881 Scholar N K

Registration District: Dartford
Sub District: Farningham
Enumeration District: 15
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Mary Horton Kirby

Civil Parish: Horton Kirby
Municipal Borough:

Address: Horton Kirby, South Darenth County: Kent

This looks like the family in 1871 for info

Name: Henry J Bradberry
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma M Bradberry
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 217
Piece: 702
Folio: 67
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry J Bradberry 29
Emma M Bradberry 26
Henry R Bradberry 6
Thompson R Bradberry 4
Llewellyn Bradberry 1

I was told he was 6 months old in the 1881 census and that i would find him in it however i cant seem to get any census results on genes at the moment think there is a fault ?? His mother died in 1890 if she was E M Coop. Henry James the poss father was still alive in 1911.Thank you all for your help
Jaq

1901 England Census about Henry James Bradberry
Name: Henry James Bradberry
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: East Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 86
Piece: 443
Folio: 63
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry James Bradberry 60
Emely Bradberry 19

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This one has the same occupation as the marriage cert, upholsterer

The 1891 is the only census that will show him, if I have got the correct birth.
If his Father is dead then you cannot join them up.
He could be concealing his true age if young. Too much like guessing until you have the certificate.

Can anyone see Herbert James in a census please whilst he is a child ?

Just for info

1901 England Census

Name: Herbert J Bradbery
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rhoda E Bradbery
Gender: Male
Where born: Battersea, London, England

Civil parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
County/Island: London

Registration district: Paddington
Sub-registration district: St Mary, Paddington

Herbert J Bradbery 20
Rhoda E Bradbery 21

his birth
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Herbert James Bradberry
Name: Herbert James Bradberry
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1881
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 323 (click to see others on page)