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wisechild
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3 Jun 2011 15:15 |
Gold star for anyone who can find these two. Edward Crowder b abt 1782 Ludlow, Shropshire 2nd wife, Elizabeth Chapman b 1805 Edgbaston Maria Crowder b 1810 Birmingham John Joseph Crowder b 1838 Birmingham Known addresses around census time are Edmund St Birmingham at John Joseph´s christening in 1838 & Cherry Street Birmingham when 2nd son Henry Edward was born in 1842. Edward was a spoonmaker, ink maker, furniture broker on various censuses. Have the family in 1851 onwards, but stuck for 41. Thanks Marion
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Maddie
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3 Jun 2011 15:25 |
probably none of them CROWDER, John M 25 1816 Warwickshire VIEW CROWDER, Ann F 25 1816 Warwickshire VIEW CROWDER, Mary F 4 1837 Warwickshire VIEW CROWDER, Elizabeth F 2 1839 Warwickshire VIEW CROWDER, John M 0 (1 months) 1841 Warwickshire VIEW RG number: HO107 Piece: 1143 Book/Folio: 5/27 Page: 8 Registration District: Birmingham Sub District: St Mary Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Birmingham Municipal Borough: Birmingham Address: Weaman Street, Birmingham County: Warwickshire
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3 Jun 2011 15:28 |
could do an address search for cherry street and edmund street if you have the house numbers
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3 Jun 2011 15:30 |
maria 1841 England Census about Maria Crowder Name: Maria Crowder Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Gender: Female Where born: Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Alcester Hundred: Barlichway (Alcester Division) County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Alcester Sub-registration district: Alcester Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1124 Book: 2 Folio: 12 Page Number: 17 Household Members: Name Age Maria Crowder
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3 Jun 2011 15:38 |
Hi Maddie. Thanks for that. John Crowder & family are my 3xg grandparents,so have their info. You appear to have found Maria, who has obviously left home. Perhaps she didn´t like her stepmother (who, incidently was her mother´s sister). She´s back with them in 1851 though. Unfortunately, don´t have street numbers for either Cherry St or Edmund St. but they are both only quite short streets. Thanks for looking. Marion
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Maddie
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3 Jun 2011 15:42 |
had a look at the census address and there are an awful lot of housholds
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wisechild
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3 Jun 2011 15:51 |
Thanks Maddie. This man has been a thorn in my side for years & now someone has contacted me, wanting info about him. He married at least 3 times & lied mightily about his age, changed his occupation at the drop of a hat & seems to have abandoned most of his children at an early age. He was at least 35 years older than his 3rd wife, having killed off the 1st two, who were sisters. Luckily he is from a different branch of the Crowder family from mine, so I can disown him. Marion
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3 Jun 2011 16:01 |
seems a bit of a lad even for now days good luck maddie
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Astra
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3 Jun 2011 16:30 |
This Edward Crowder is a spoonmaker but he is in lodgings
BENNETT, Charles M 55 1786 VIEW BENNETT, Ann F 55 1786 Warwickshire VIEW WALKER, William M 25 1816 Warwickshire VIEW JONES, Mary F 15 1826 Warwickshire VIEW COX, Abraham M 25 1816 Warwickshire VIEW CROWDER, Edward M 35 1806 Warwickshire VIEW
Civil Parish: Birmingham Municipal Borough: Birmingham Address: Bread Street Court, Birmingham County: Warwickshire
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4 Jun 2011 07:24 |
Thanks Astra. Don´t think that´s him as his wife gave birth to sons in 1838& 1842. Also he was born abt 1782. Mind you, he told so many lies, who knows? Will take a closer look. Thanks again Marion
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Dea
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4 Jun 2011 09:10 |
I have had a look through both those streets on 1841 and they don't seem to be at either of those addresses.
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4 Jun 2011 09:19 |
I think I have the family living at 'Little Charles Street'
Image looks like Crowder to me and living with them is:
Elizabeth Chapman aged 60, Clothes Dealer (Is this her mother??)
1841 England Census about Joseph Crandon Name: Joseph Crandon Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Gender: Male Where born: Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Hundred: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Paul Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1144 Book: 7 Folio: 49 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Crandon 30 George Crandon 10 Joseph Crandon 4 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1144; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Birmingham; County: Warwickshire; Enumeration District: 20; Folio: 49; Page: 15; Line: 5; GSU roll: 464181.
I will see if I can find Edward..............
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4 Jun 2011 10:40 |
Is there any sign of a middle name for 'your' Edward please?
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4 Jun 2011 10:47 |
I am thinking that this could very well be him - I think they are serving in the East Indies.
He has only served 1 year so would have been around when first son was born and back to have the second one. ??? (He joined 15th June, 1839)
Harts Army List 1840 Name Regiment Folio CROWDER, Edward 6TH (OR ROYAL 1ST WARWICKSHIRE) REGIMENT OF FOOT The image gives no further details except he appears to have a middle initial 'F' and he is an 'Ensign' ?
Of course, he may never have used the middle name?
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4 Jun 2011 12:54 |
Not aware that he had a middle name, but who knows. Little Charles St looks good for Elizabeth & George & Joseph. Elizabeth (wife´s) mother was Elizabeth, so looks like granny had the kids. Wonder where Elizabeth jnr was? Never mind. What has been found by you clever souls is more than I have managed in 15 years, although as I said earlier, because he´s not one of mine, he´s been pushed to the bottom of the pile. Many thanks to you all. Marion Sorry.Need to get my eyes tested. Elizabeth jnr is there. How thick can you get???
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