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So was Mary Ann a twin??

Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
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Walkley Mary Ann Wellington, Som. 5c 4__
Walkley Samuel Wellington, Som. 5c 4__


1871 England Census
about Samuel Walkley Name: Samuel Walkley
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Culmstock, Devon, England
Civil parish: Wellington
Town: Wellington
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Wellington
Sub-registration district: Wellington
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 36
Piece: 2363
Folio: 9
Page Number: 10

Other Walkley children in the Union Workhouse;

Jane Walkley 11
Emily Walkley 9
Bessie Walkley 7
Sarah J Walkley 5



The Wales Connection??

1891 Wales Census
about Samuel Walkely Name: Samuel Walkely
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Wellington, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Llanedarn
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanedarn
Town: Machen Upper
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Whitchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4384
Folio: 4
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Williams 46
George H W Williams 23
E M Williams 14
M E Williams 15
Lilian A Williams 6
James Thomas 22
Samuel Walkely 23


Going back to the 1871 census........ I traced Jane who was 11 on the 1871 census and her parents were;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Mar 1868 (>99%)
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WALKLEY Jane 41 Wellington Som. 5c 264

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Deaths Sep 1870 (>99%)
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Walkley Jacob 47 Wellington, Som. 5c 274


I know it still doesn't account for Mary Ann, but maybe she was taken in by a relative under a different surname???


Dee x

I couldnt either, I dont think this family wants to be found

I have looked at 1871 and 1891 but I can't find her????

I have looked at marriages, there are about 3, but cant tie them in. One was to LLewellyn Yorath Williams 1888 in glamognshire, Thomas Frederick Miles and or Edgar Henry Ellicatt 1896 Devonshire

Yes, you have done it right.

Births?

Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
Walkley Mary Ann Wellington, Som. 5c 4__

Births Sep 1887 (>99%)
WALKLEY Martha Mary Wellington, Som 5c 310

The district Wellington, Som is an alternative name for Wellington Som and it spans the boundaries of the counties of Devon and Somerset

hope I have done this right

Hi there, a couple of weeks ago I asked for help in trying to find parents $ sibblings of Martha Mary Walkley, we came to a stand still. I now have her birth cert, she was born 18 July 1887 Village CulmstockWellington, Somerset, Devon. Mother is listed as Mary Ann Walkley - village Culmstock. There is no father named. I think I found mother - Mary Ann Walkley on the 1881 UK census age 14 born 1867 Culmstock, Devon, living in that area and working as a domestic servant living with William Coles age 56 occup farmer. Other people - Lydia Coles 56, Mary Coles 25, Thomas Coles 20. Thats all I have been able to find, I cant find Mary on 1871census or any other, not even with her daughter. ( Daughter ended up living in Wales she married William John Skyrme 40 yrs after living together. Can someone please help sort this out for me I would be greatful

Hi Pam,
Sorry for not getting back sooner, it was late and went to bed. Im not sure it Samuel Walkley is family, I think more research and maybe birth certs req'd, I will get hold of the family
Thanks

Just adding my two-penneth.

If no father was mentioned on her marriage certificate and she can't be traced on any census I would hazard a guess that her mother married before the 1891 census and Martha is using her stepfathers surname....... so seeing as Walkley isn't a common name I would look at all the female marriages from 1887 to March 1891 and see if Martha turns up using a different name???


Dee x

A piece of information from previous next door neighbours.

John Robert was John to his wife and Robert to his family. Quite common apparently in some places in Wales for the child to be called by the middle name. Perhaps the same with Martha Mary and Edgar J.

P.S. The 1891 census I found is probably the wrong one, but it can be checked and crossed off the list.

Is this a relation?
name: Samuel Walkley
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 42
birthplace: Culmstock, Devonshire
record type: Household
registration district: Wellington
sub-district: Wellington
parish: Wellington
county: Somersetshire

1871 census
North Street Union Workhouse, Wellington
WALKLEY, Sammel Inmate M 3 1868 Devon (still there in 1881)
WALKLEY, Jane Inmate F 11 1860 Devon
WALKLEY, Emily Inmate F 9 1862 Devon
WALKLEY, Bessie Inmate F 7 1864 Devon
WALKLEY, Sarah J Inmate F 5 1866 Devon

1891 census
Address: Maesy Bryn, Llanedarn County: Glamorganshire

WALKLEY, Samuel Servant Married M 23 1868 Farm Labourer Wellington Somersetshire

As far as the births of the children go you have George and Douglas and the Edgar birth that Pam mentioned was actually Edgar J. so perhaps Jack was his middle name and he was known by that.

Kath. x

Is this her death (transcribed as SkyrNe):-

Name: SKYRNE, Martha Mary
Registration District: South Glamorgan
County: Glamorganshire
Year of Registration: 1979
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Date of Birth: 18 July 1887 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Volume No: 28
Page No: 2906

Kath. x

Hi the family have a birth for her as the 18.07.1887 born in Devon - and thats the birth I found so I assumed it was her. I will get back to the family for another chat. Thanks everyone

how sure are you that the birth found in Wellington reg distict is your Martha . Did her death cert give a birth date ? Death certs did after c1970.

I'm not saying the 1891 census you found Pam is definitely wrong. Just that it gives the birthplace as Monmouthshire so the birth I found could be the Martha from that family.

I really think Julie Ann needs the birth certificate for Martha's parents names.

Julie Ann - are you certain that "your" Martha Mary was born in the Wellington registration district? Since she married in Glamorganshire could she have been born in Wales too?

Kath. x

We have the sons - George, Douglas and Jack - never mind thanks for all your help.

Pity the 1891 census is the wrong one will keep looking. Her fathers name would help.

I think the 1891 census family found by Pam may be connected to this birth (so not your Martha Mary):-

Name: WAKELEY, Martha Mary
Registration District: Bedwellty
County: Monmouthshire
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 11A
Page No: 86

Kath. x