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Thank you so much for all your hard work..

If that is samuels father and her remarried.. well the surname for his 2nd wife maybe of interest??

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about Thomas Butler Name: Thomas Butler >>> BUTCHER!!
Marriage or Bann Date: 1 Oct 1832
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Downs

From the net;

It first opened in 1822 as an open air market and between 1850 and 1875 the first covered sections of the market had been constructed after the market moved from Briggate.

Now I have also seen Briggate on some of the baptism or marriage details that I've posted for you.


More info;

Transcript of the entry of "professions and trades"
for LEEDS in Pigot's Directory of 1829.


BUTCHERS;

•Butler John, 36 Kirkgate
•Butler Joseph, 10 Duke street
•Butler Thomas, 31 Kirkgate

1851 England Census
about Thomas Butler Name: Thomas Butler
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1788
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Butler
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: South
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 39
Piece: 2319
Folio: 248
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Butler 63 >> Butcher employing 2 men.
Elizabeth Butler 42
Ellen Butler 27
William Butler 14
Mary Jane Butler 12
George Butler 10
Hannah Butler 6
Mary E Butler 3


The butcher Butlers seemed to be living in the Kirkgate area of Leeds most of the time........ I know the market is there now and wondered if that is where it was back then??

Samuels father???

1841 England Census
about Thomas Butler Name: Thomas Butler
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds Town
Hundred: Leeds Borough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: Leeds North
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1346
Book: 12
Folio: 33
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Butler 50 >>> BUTCHER
Elizabeth Butler 35
Ellen Butler 15
Emma Butler 15
William Butler 5
Joseph Butler 4
Mary Butler 2
George Butler 5 Weeks

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about Thomas Butler Name: Thomas Butler << Brushmaker
Marriage or Bann Date: 10 Sep 1813
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Spouse's Name: Mary Atack

His sisters;

West Yorkshire, England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Lucy Atack Butler Name: Lucy Atack Butler
Birth Date: abt 1816
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1816
Father's name: Thomas Butler >> BUTCHER
Mother's name: Mary Butler



West Yorkshire, England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Sarah Atack Butler Name: Sarah Atack Butler
Birth Date: 14 Feb 1818
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Baptism Date: 23 Mar 1818
Father's name: Thomas Butler >> BUTCHER
Mother's name: Mary Butler


West Yorkshire, England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Ellen Mack Butler Name: Ellen Mack Butler >> Atack on image!
Birth Date: 8 May 1823
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Baptism Date: 20 Jul 1823
Father's name: Thomas Butler >> BUTCHER
Mother's name: Mary Butler

And more sisters;

Emma Butler 29 Jun 1824

Martha Butler abt 1813



Also brothers;

George Butler 29 Nov 1819

Thomas Butler 5 Jun 1821


The dates are DOB and the fathers occupations are confirmed as butcher


Dee x

His fathers baptism;

West Yorkshire, England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Samuel Atack Butler Name: Samuel Atack Butler
Birth Date: 6 Mar 1814
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Baptism Date: 12 Jul 1814
Father's name: Thomas Butler >> Brush maker
Mother's name: Mary Butler

Fathers 2nd marriage;

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about Samuel Atack Butler Name: Samuel Atack Butler >> Widower, Butcher
Birth Year: abt 1822
Age: 30
Marriage or Bann Date: 25 Dec 1852
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Father's name: Thomas Butler >> Butcher
Spouse's Name: Mary Long
Spouse's Father's Name: James Long

His parents marriage;

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about Samuel Butler Name: Samuel Butler >> Butcher
Marriage or Bann Date: 30 Jan 1838
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Father's name: Thomas Butler >> Butcher
Spouse's Name: Margaret Whiteley
Spouse's Father's Name: James Whiteley >> Druggist

Hi David,

Looks like Thomas was married;

1871 England Census
about Thomas Butler Name: Thomas Butler
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice Butler
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 109
Piece: 4553
Folio: 57
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Butler 31 >> BUTCHER
Alice Butler 26


1861 England Census
about Thomas Butler Name: Thomas Butler
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Piece: 3377
Folio: 5
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Morgan 36
Charles Morgan 17
William Butler 22
Thomas Butler 22 >>>> butcher
James Butler 20



1851 England Census
about Thomas Butler Name: Thomas Butler
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Father's name: Samuel Butler
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: South
ED, institution, or vessel: 2d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 12
Piece: 2319
Folio: 297
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Butler 36 >> Butcher
Thomas Butler 12
James Butler 10
Sarah Butler 8
Elizabeth Miller 44



The 1841 Census
is provided in
association with:. All 1841 England Census Results1841 England Census
about Thomas Butler Name: Thomas Butler
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Hundred: Leeds Borough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: Kirkgate
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1346
Book: 1
Folio: 22
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Mark Butler 25 >>> Butcher
Margaret Butler 20
Thomas Butler 2
James Butler 11 MO



West Yorkshire, England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Thomas Butler Name: Thomas Butler
Birth Date: 22 Feb 1839
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Baptism Date: 31 Mar 1839
Father's name: Samuel Butler <<< Butcher
Mother's name: Margaret Butler


Dee x

I'm sorry but i don't have a clue what you're trying to say and i think you may have read the thread wrong....

would someone please be able to sort out the 1841, 51, 61 and 71 census' for Thomas Butler, born in Leeds about 1839. Kind regards...

I have always thought things were a bit strange and said that Patrick Foggarty was never the father. I have just been through all my mums paperwork and have found some interesting hand written notes.
One says Mary Ann Fogarty, 4 months for larceny 30/12/1869, 1/1/1867 4 months no explanation and then another date 26/10/1851. Then more notes, 20/4/1867 larceny acquital. 10/1/1871 larceny acquital, Mary Ann Foggarty 3 months. 21/3/1872 larceny convicted for 5 years due to previous form. 12/4/1880 imprisonment. 23/3/1870 robbery 18months. 21/10/1867 larceny 6 months. 1/7/1880, 9 months for malious wounding. 23/3/1870, 18 months for robbery with violence. Can anyone make anything of this and does it put Patrick in Jail when Florence was concieved?

David

I think if this were my ancestors and although the surname Fogerty plays a part in the Ancestry....... I would strongly consider the fact that Florence was indeed Thomas Butlers daughter in almost everything except her last surname.

Dee x

AND:

West Yorkshire, England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Florence Butler Name: Florence Butler
Birth Date: 15 Jan 1886
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Baptism Date: 29 Aug 1886
Father's name: Thomas Butler >> BUTCHER
Mother's name: Mary Ann Butler

Address High Street.

Confirms Emma's parentage;

West Yorkshire, England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Emma Butler Name: Emma Butler
Birth Date: 5 Nov 1879
Parish: Leeds, St Peter (Leeds Parish Church)
Baptism Date: 22 Feb 1880
Father's name: Thomas Butler >> BUTCHER!!
Mother's name: Mary Ann Butler

Address Buschfield Street...... same as the 1881 census

This could be Patrick;

1861 England Census
about Patrick Fogarty Name: Patrick Fogarty
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: South East Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Piece: 3373
Folio: 92
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Martin Cunningham 24
Mary Cunningham 22
Andrew Cunningham 3
Mary Cunningham 1
Peter Cunningham 30
Jeremiah Dooley 16
Patrick Fogarty 16
Mike Fogarty 13
John Weakly 18


Looking at the Criminal records for Patrick Fogerty there are quite a few for West Yorks..... It maybe the same chap who was in and out of prison from 1867 until the 1880's

This maybe Thomas Butlers death??

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Mar 1900 (>99%)
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Butler Thomas 61 Leeds 9b 369


Now in 1901 Florence and her mother were living at 11 Bouldance ( ???) Yard....... think I would be tempted to order this death cert and see who registered it and also see the address it states.

Although Mary Ann Downes married Patrick Fogerty I have a sneaky feeling (especially with the kids middle name) that Thomas Butler was the father of the children born from around 1879.


Dee x

So Patrick never shows on any census with his wife!!

1871 England Census
about Margaret A Downes Name: Margaret A Downes
[Mary Ann Downes]
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Ann Downes
Gender: Female
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: Leeds
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Household schedule number: 95
Piece: 4554
Folio: 13
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Downes 48
Margaret A Downes 20 << Married
Margaret Downes 18
Maria Downes 13
Margaret A Fougerty 2 <<<<<<<< Grandaughter
William Fougerty 11 Months <<<<<<< Grandson