Find Ancestors

Yes to above they are James' parents and family

One of Johns' sisters was a Rachel too.


Rachel Godliman
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 05 Nov 1860
residence: 1860 —London, England
parents: John Godliman, Eliza

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Rachel Godliman
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 25 Nov 1860
baptism/christening place: SAINT JOHN THE EVANGELIST,NOTTING HILL,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 05 Nov 1860
father's name: John Godliman
mother's name: Eliza
indexing project (batch) number: C04242-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 597798

I don't know,Lindsey!!!

The 1861 that Chris pointed out earlier are the ones you're talking about-with Rach*l as the youngest?

I think this is the Ancestry 1871 for that family:
1871 England Census about Rachel C Coolman
Name: Rachel C Coolman
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Coolman
Mother's name: Elith Coolman
Gender: Female
Where born: Fulham, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 247
Piece: 72
Folio: 31
Page Number: 55
Household Members:
Name Age
John Coolman 44
Elith Coolman 40
Rachel C Coolman 11
Thomas G Coolman 9
Samuel G Coolman 7
Alice F Coolman 1
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 72; Folio: 31; Page: 55

Horrible image.
I do hope Jacqueline will come back and answer a few more questions if she is able to.

Best,
Maureen

I checked them but cant make any connection,

occ. on marriage James deceased Mason. sounds invented ?

Guess What ?
There are half a dozen Ancestry trees with Rose on, and it looks as if none of them have bought a certificate , just copied from each other , typical !


My thoughts about the non-pinner line are starting with

John Godlyman c.1805 and Ann who have
4 children one John >all bapt.on LDS

son John c1828 becomes John Godlamin on the 1861 census, and marries Eliza Jenkins ?
Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
Godliman John Kensington 3 292

[John senior and Ann are witnesses }

who have several children including your man James 1856

So they hardly move far from Kensington

What about witnesses on Rose's marriage cert?

What is James' occupation when she is born?

Rose

just a maybe ? there are the Godlemmo from 1891 census

1901 England Census about James Goodman
Name: James Goodman
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maryann Goodman
Gender: Male
Where born: Kensington, London, England
Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 338
Piece: 111
Folio: 134
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
James Goodman 42 road sweeper
Maryann Goodman 40 flower seller [hawker]
Rosie Goodman 9

Oh darn. I was hoping it wouldn't be that couple.

It looks like the same ones that safc posted earlier-James and Topsy and the ones I posted above.
They're listed on Ancestry as:
1891 England Census about Mary Godlemmo
Name: Mary Godlemmo
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Godlemmo
Gender: Female
Where born: N
Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 56
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 29
Folio: 64
Page Number: 59
Household Members:
Name Age
James Godlemmo 30
Mary Godlemmo 32
Jolly 34
McWillie 60
Seaney Ennis 41
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 29; Folio 64; Page 59; GSU roll: 6095139.

I've been trying to find them after 1891,but no luck.

Have you found Rose in any census,Jacqueline?

I think you might have to order her parents marriage cert unless someone else can spot something.

Good luck,
Maureen

i have got my grans birth cert born 33 st clements rd,but when you try to look it up on genes it cant be found.I do remember my mum saying her gran was irish.

Jacqueline-do you have Rose's birth certificate?

Maureen

Edit:
I keep getting hung up on these people:

1891 census transcription details for: 33, St Clements Road, Kensington

RG number: RG12 Piece: 29 Folio: 64 Page: 59


Reg. District: Kensington Sub District: Kensington Town
Parish: Kensington Enum. District: 56
Ecclesiastical District: St Clements City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 33, St Clements Road, Kensington
County: London

GODLEMAN, James Head Married M 30 1861 Traveller
London
GODLEMAN, Mary Wife Married F 32 1859
JOLLY Widow F 34 1857 Charwoman
WALLIS Widow F 60 1831 Charwoman
London
EVINS, Seaney Widow F 41 1850 Charwoman
London

Maureen

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: John William George Chamberlain
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Spouse Name: Rose Godleman
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Jan 1912
Parish: St Andrew and St Philip, Kensal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: George Chamberlain


Father of Rose is James (decd) - occupation - Mason

Is this her marriage ?##

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Rose Godleman
Name: Rose Godleman
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Spouse Name: John William George Chamberlain
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Jan 1912
Parish: St Andrew and St Philip, Kensal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Spouse Father Name: George Chamberlain

James father deceased a Mason ?

Name: James Godlamin
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1856
Baptism Date: 8 Jun 1856
Father's name: John Godlamin
Mother's name: Eliza Godlamin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Ladbroke Grove St John the Evangelist
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea

(born 17th May, father occ. Labourer, 13, New Street)

Chris :)


1861

GODLAMIN, John Head Married M 33 1828 Labourer
Kensington
Middlesex
GODLAMIN, Eliza Wife Married F 32 1829
Kensington
Middlesex
GODLAMIN, Susanah Daughter F 15 1846 Servant
Kensington
Middlesex
GODLAMIN, Eliza Daughter F 11 1850 Scholar
Kensington
Middlesex
GODLAMIN, John Son M 10 1851 Scholar
Kensington
Middlesex
GODLAMIN, Joseph Son M 7 1854 Scholar
Kensington
Middlesex
GODLAMIN, James Son M 5 1856 Scholar
Kensington
Middlesex
GODLAMIN, Frederick Son M 3 1858 Scholar
Kensington
Middlesex
GODLAMIN, Rachael Daughter F 0 (5M) 1861
Kensington
Middlesex

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
17 Folio:
62 Page:
47

Registration District:
Kensington Sub District:
3 Kensington Town Enumeration District:
22 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Johns

Civil Parish:
St Mary Abbots Kensington Municipal Borough:
Address:
13, New Street, St Mary Abbots Kensington, Kensington County:
London, Middlesex

james godlemun born1856 kensington,married mary ann bushnell 1877 marylebone,mary born 1859,they had my gran rose born 18 april 1891 kensington,this is all i have they have other children but absolutely no records of them,thankyou for those who have helped so far x

Sorry but it doesnt feel right ?

Jaqueline

Please can you tell us if you have the marriage cert? As there appear to be two James, we need to know his father's name to avoid following the wrong line.

Oh bother, Lindsey - think you could be right and I have got quite a way back with the Pinner one but with a name like that they must be related!

GODLIMAN, Jumes Head Married M 52 1859 House Painter Pinner Middlesex VIEW
GODLIMAN, Mary Ann Wife Married
26 years F 54 1857 Clapton Gloucestershire VIEW
TURNER, Mollie Eveline Granddaughter F 4 1907 St Johns Wood London VIEW
TURNER, Georgina Granddaughter F 2 1909 St Johns Wood London VIEW
MINSHALL, Alice Florence Boarder Single F 19 1892 St Johns Wood London VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
4371 Reference:
RG14PN4371 RG78PN177 RD59 SD3 ED3 SN118

Registration District:
Blean Sub District:
Whitstable Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Whitstable Urban

Address:
26 Cromwell Road Whitstable

Not sure about the Pinner one hes single in 1881 ?
1881 England Census about James Godliman
Name: James Godliman
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Brother in Law
Gender: Male
Where born: Pinner, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Hampstead
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 21 Bolton Rd
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Railway Porter
Registration district: Hampstead
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 172
Folio: 96
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
William G. Stephenson 25
Mary A. Stephenson 29
William G. Stephenson
James Godliman 22

1851 England Census
about Mary Deer
Name: Mary Deer -
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1782
Relation: Grandmother, Grandma (Grandmother)
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Stoke, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Pinner
County/Island: Middlesex
Piece: 1700
Folio: 197
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Godleyman 29
Mary Godleyman 27
Thomas Godleyman 2
Mary Deer 69

1901

GODLIMAN, James Head Married M 43 1858 House Painter
Pinner
Middlesex VIEW
GODLIMAN, Mary A Wife Married F 45 1856 Dressmaker
Clapton Nr Bolton on the Water
Gloucestershire VIEW
GODLIMAN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 16 1885 Improver (Upholstering)
Marylebone
London VIEW
GODLIMAN, Maude Daughter Single F 14 1887 Domestic Servant
City
London VIEW

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
118 Folio:
50 Page:
20

Registration District:
Marylebone Sub District:
St John Enumeration District:
7 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Stephen the Martyr Portland Town

Civil Parish:
St Marylebone Municipal Borough:
Address:
72, Cochrane Street, St Marylebone County:

1871 England Census - all born Pinner
Name: James Godleman
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas Godleman
Mother's name: Mary M Godleman
Gender: Male
Where born: Pinner, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Pinner
Town: Pinner
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Harrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 62
Piece: 1325
Folio: 79
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Godleman 49 Postman
Mary M Godleman 47 Laundress
Mary Ann Godleman 19
William Godleman 17 Shoe Maker
James Godleman 11
Fanny M Godleman 9
Matilda Godleman 5