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Here is Walter on the 1901???? as a Boarder.

1901 England Census
about Albert Budd
Name: Albert Budd
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester

Civil parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Hulme St Mark
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 125
Piece: 3700
Folio: 139
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Lizzie Bertinetti 30 THIS READS BIRTWISTLE!!!!!!!
Walter Budd 41
Albert Budd 11

So he was her boarder and then he married her. He is down as married on this census. Lizzie is single on this census and their address is 4 Stott St.

Probably a red herring but there is no sign of Annie in the census pre her marriage and I wonder if she was born Julia Ann Hughes with sister Emma Jane who was living with her in 1881 and described as a cousin.

Julia Ann disappears post 1871 and I can't see her in the census or find a marriage. If Emma Jane is her cousin then it would not be likely that their father's were both called Edward

Just a thought

1861

Name: Julia Ann Hughes
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Edward Hughes
Mother's name: Elizabeth Hughes
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Disley Stanley
Ecclesiastical parish: Stockport
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image

Registration district: Hayfield
Sub-registration district: Hayfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Piece: 2555
Folio: 91
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Hughes 29
Elizabeth Hughes 26
John Hughes 8
Edward Hughes 4
Julia Ann Hughes 3
Alfred Hughes 1 MO
Caroline Fallerson 57
Jane Graham 60

Albert
Births Sep 1889 (>99%)
Budd Albert Manchester 8d 229

???Marriage 1909
BUDD Albert GODDIN Mabel A Manchester, Hulme, St. George Manchester 66/5/415
Child to the above marriage.
BUDD Leslie A England Lancashire, Chorlton 1911

1911 census
BUDD, Albert Patient Single M 21 1890 Grocers Assistant Lancs Manchester

RG number: RG14 Piece: 23701 Reference: RG14PN23701 RD464 SD1 ED44 SN9999
Registration District: Chorlton Sub District: Didsbury Enumeration District: 44 Parish: South Manchester
Address: Nell Lane Withington County: Lancashire

Person: BUDD, Mabel Alice
Institution: Hulme Barracks, HULME BARRACKS
Institution BUDD, Mabel Alice Wife Married F 26 1885 Avebury Wiltshire
Institution BUDD, Leslie Albert 1911 0 M Chorlton LancashireI

RG number: RG14 Piece: 23930 Reference: RG14PN23930 RD464 SD4 ED65 SN9999
Registration District: Chorlton Sub District: Hulme Enumeration District: 65 Parish: South Manchester
Address: Hulme Manchester County: Lancashire

R.I.P.
Name: BUDD, Albert
Registration District: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 22
Volume No: 8C
Page No: 392

07/06/1911 Albert Budd Southern Cemetery MChurch of England 436

That Edward Hughes who K put up is a Waterman on the Canals.

1871 England Census
about Edward Hughes
Name: Edward Hughes
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Hughes
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Bromley St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 18
Piece: 570
Folio: 4
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Hughes 40 NOW A HORSE KEEPER IN LONDON
Elizabeth Hughes 38
Edwin Hughes 14
Julia Ann Hughes 12 ************
Alfred Hughes 9
Emma Jane Hughes 7
Pheobe Hughes 4
Joseph Webb 22

By 1881 Edward had died and the family moved back to Lancashire

Name: Elizabeth Hughes
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Mancr, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Ardwick
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 3 Ashworth Court
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3898
Folio: 93
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Hughes 49 b Manchester
Edward Hughes 25
Alfred Hughes 18
Phoebe Hughes 14

Thanks all very much, yes Ginny Walter did marry Lizzie , after a long marriage to Emily (my Mum's "Granny Budd" in which Emily gave birth to 9 children, only two of whom survived.

I also found Emma Jane in the 1861 census with Walter's brother John, and it also says she was born in Derbyshire but that 1871 census above is a bit of a shocker as none of our family moved to London as far as we knew, I will go and peruse this a bit more.

Ginny yes, we need the birth cerificate definitely., for this one i think -



Births Dec 1856
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Hughes Annie Manchester 8d 108


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1856
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HUGHES Annie Ancoats Manchester ANC/78/31


as this fits her age better than the 1860 one. (she's 21 on her marriage cert in 1879)


Thanks a lot! :-)

And Mel,

Sterling work with Albert as a boarder with Walter and Lizzie in 1901~ !

" Bertinetti ! " :-)

Thank you!!

All info will be printed and perused in detail, thanks all.

Emily
Births Sep 1882 (>99%)
Budd Emily Manchester 8d 246

Marriage
Marriages Mar 1910 (>99%)
BUDD Emily Prestwich 8d 347
Phillips James Prestwich 8d 347
PHILLIPS James BUDD Emily Manchester, Beswick, St. Mary Manchester 25/3/143

Possible children
PHILLIPS James England Lancashire, Manchester 1910
PHILLIPS Annie England Lancashire, Manchester 1913
PHILLIPS Albert England Lancashire, Manchester 1916
PHILLIPS Ethel England Lancashire, Manchester 1918
PHILLIPS Emily England Lancashire, Manchester 1920

1911 census already submitted by Ginny.

Pam,

Thank you, yes, those were her chidlren in that list,

and Annie 1913 is my Granny. ( Little nana' we called her).

I hadn't see Emily, 1920 before, can I ask where you found her please?

Births found on FMP
1912 -1930 birth search on Phillips with mother Budd.
Looked for James from census info.

Thank you,

What does FMP stand for?

Is it possible to do that for earlier than 1837 births?

Joe FMP stands for Rind My Past.

Mel

Mel.....

Whats Rind My Past ;-)

Just joking

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Hi Joe, FMP is "Find my past" as Mel said. You can find siblings by putting in the family name and the mother's surname. Unfortunately, it is only from 1912 onwards. Before 1912 it is harder, especially if the family has moved around different registration districts. Pam

Sorry about that, yes it should have been Find my Past!! :-D