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For ref. Not sure if this is the one your referring to. There is also a Thomas and eldest grandson, John, born in Shropshire. Elizabeth unmarried, working as a ? wool picker.

1861 Wales Census
about Elizabeth Morgan Name: Elizabeth Morgan
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Morgan
Mother's name: Elizabeth Morgan
Gender: Female
Where born: Newtown, Montgomeryshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Hendidley
Town: Newtown
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Newtown
Sub-registration district: Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8g
Household schedule number: 68
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4251
Folio: 58
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Morgan 75
Elizabeth Morgan 78
Elizabeth Morgan 33
John Morgan 30
John Morgan 13
Thomas Morgan 10
Martin Morgan 7
William Morgan 1

Vera

yes i have thought of that..
but it wasn't unusually for fathers not to be around i had some one in wales had a look for me and he also found that Elizabeth not married and living with her parents at one stage....cant remember when... but her name was Morgan and his name im sure is Charles Thomas or Charles David Thomas....as 1st son named Charles...could be just a fluke...
but i haven't been able to find any thing about him ...so i cant really do much
until i finish the children as there might be a clue with one of them....and the children were John 1848 but this could also be her brothers child as her brother was john Morgan...... martin next b 1854 or 1855.then a William b 1860 i cant find...Charles b abt 1865 then Bathsheba b abt 1868..
Martin and Ann also had a daughter called Bathsheba born in Queensland somewhere b abt 1895 could not find a death on her any where and someone suggested that the death might not have been registered...and there son is called Thomas Charles......now that's a big clue for me suggesting that there fathers name just might be Charles Thomas....... what do u reckon Mejoy75
more fathers the merrier haha (terrible Murial)

:-S more confused then ever :-( :-D

spiderlegs,

Have noticed on the 1871 Census, that Elizabeth was unmarried, do you know for sure if David was her husband and father of all the children? Maybe someone who has access to the 1861 Census, can check and see what is recorded, on the 1881 Census it says Elizabeth is single.

Just thinking maybe the children have different fathers!!

spiderlegs & MEgirl, I was the same, but I thought what could I lose, they can only get more frustrated at me, as in the 1st few threads where I got a number of helpers getting a bit hot under the collar!

Joy

there certainly is some wonderful people on GR ..i think you are all just the best .i couldn't do my tree with out you all that's for sure ...thanks again ..very very much appreciated ......thank you again

haha Spiderlegs and I'm one of those embarrassed people. Usually my ancestors are too hard to find, very weird histories. I just keep plodding, but there are some wonderful people on here willing to help.

Cheers.

you ladies are sooo nice and doing a fab job...
this is the only information i have on Benjamin...

1871 - census - at Syarns Yard, Bridge Street, Llanllwchaiarn - RG10/5616/40/2/9:
Elizabeth Morgan, Head, Unmarried age 40 a Wool Picker born Newtown
Martin Morgan, son, Unmarried, age 15 Feeder in Factory born Newtown
Benjamin Morgan, son, Unm, age 9 born Newtown
Bathsheba Morgan, son?, Unm, age 2 born Newtown.


i truly was going to give up on Charles ...and had to put that in as i was getting so frustrated with bdms....wouldn't it be nice if they could make the years longer ..instead of 1934 for a marriage ..be great if it was 1974 and death's to 2010.......just a wish of mine haha......
but instead of have a team of wonder woman....you do know that a lot of people are 2 embarrassed to ask for help.....it may sound really silly but its true as you read there questions you can almost feel what they feel..
sometimes so sad....others like me soo happy
thank you ladies. there will be more on the morgans ...im just enjoying the meal on this lot..lol :-D :-D :-D ;-)

You're very welcome Spiderlegs.

Cheers, MEgirl

Thank you spiderlegs for you kind words. I am just so glad that we could help you find your elusive Charles.

Can you give some details on Benjamin, year of birth, where born etc.

Have you details of their parents marriage? If so can you please put on this thread.

I have checked Qld immigration, have only been able to find

Name - Benjamin William
Age - 39
Ship - Duke of Sutherland
Date - 30th December, 1886

and

Name - Benjamin Morgan
Age - 33
Ship - Jessie Munn
Date - 28th January, 1862

Thanks, Joy

well.... i never thought it possible that i would ever have charles morgon found
thank you ladies sooo much all have done a mag job
thanks to MEgirl ..MEjoy75 and Helen and all the the others as well
thank you it will take me a whlle to digest....then some certificates ..
but you all have made my tree certainly worth while to look at
when my family ask me how do i manage to fine everyone i never hesitant to tell them my online friends are the best in the world when it comes to GR
Thanks lady's
thank you all again :-D :-) :-0 :-D :-( :-D ;-) :-D

Further to Charles' arrival on Duke of Westminister on 11/1/1886 also listed is Morgan - (family of Charles) on the Queensland Archives Immigrants list 1885-1917.

The following are funeral notices for Charles and Martin:

The Courier-Mail (Brisbane, Qld.) 1933-1954 Tuesday 23/6/1936 - MORGAN - The relatives and friends of Mrs. M. Morgan and family are invited to attend the funeral of her deceased husband and their father (Mr. Martin Morgan) to leave his late residence Rainbow Street, Sandgate, this (Tuesday) afternoon at 2.30 o'clock for the Lutwyche Cemetery - CANNON & CRIPPS, Funeral Director; and

The Courier-Mail (Brisbane, Qld.) 1933-1954 - 25/5/1954 - MORGAN, Mr. Charles, 34 Helen Street, Valley. The relatives of the late Charles Morgan are respectfully advised that his funeral is appointed to leave the Parlour, 400 Wickham Street, Valley tomorrow (Wednesday) for Toowong Cemetery on conclusion of service commencing at 10.45 am private funeral - METROPOLITAN FUNERALS.

and marriage of Thomas

1913/B13918 Rodgers Emily Morgan Thomas Charles

Spiderlegs,

Further to Helen's burial details, it look like Charles' death registration in 1954 has parents names incorrect.

There are only two deaths recorded of a Charles Morgan in 1954 in Queensland

this one I have given you, which I believe is your Charles, but parents wrong
1954/B2065 Charles Morgan Charles Elizabeth Evans

1954/C5630 Charles Frederick Morgan William Emily Elizabeth Clarke

children born to Charles & Annie

Yr/Reg No Name Surname Fathers Name Mothers Name
1899/B64002 Bramwell Stephen Banks Morgan Charles Annie Elizabeth Evens
1888/B42249 Thomas Charles Morgan Charles Annie Evans
1896/B57697 Mavanwyn Mary Evens Morgan Charles Annie Evans
1891/B48781 William Henry Evan Morgan Charles Annie Evans
1887/C10577 Elizabeth Morgan Charles Anne Evans

marriage, christian name mistranscribed???

1921/B28494 Morgan Brannell Stephen Banks Cristofsen Anna

and deaths

>>>>>>>>1954/B2065 Charles Morgan Charles Elizabeth Evans
1955/B5678 Elizabeth Morgan Charles Annie Evans
1919/B30965 Mavanwyn Mary Evans Morgan Charles Annie Elizabeth Evans
1911/B14365 William Henry Evan Morgan Charles Annie Elizabeth Evans

Possbly your Charles' arrival. Unfortunately no original record attached.

Queensland, Australia, Passenger Lists, 1848-1912
about Charles Morgan Name: Charles Morgan
Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1864
Place of Origin: Montgomery, Wales
Ship Name: Duke of Westminster
Port of Departure: London, England
Port of Arrival: Brisbane
Arrival Date: 11 Jan 1886

Vera

Hi Spiderlegs,

????? possible marriage of Charles

Yr/Reg No Surname Brides Name Grooms Surname Grooms Name
1886/C1229 Evans Annie Morgan Charles

????death of Annie

Yr/Reg No Name Surname Fathers Name Mothers Name
1946/B6300 Annie Elizabeth Morgan Thomas Evans Mary Jones

yes thank you vanessa ......please dont for get ....... :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Spiderlegs,

Have found Charles and his wife Annie and his sister in law Ann living in Helen Street, Teneriffe (could be a transcription error). living next door to each other one at 34 and the other at 32. on the 1936 Electoral roll. Will keep searching for you tomorrow.

Vanessa

has it got his mothers name there as i dont think his middle name is frederick all the men in that line only had first names ..john...martin... benjamin... charles
one girl ....bathsheba all of them born in wales all except john come out but charles and benjamin i havent found yet as they either changed or add 2nd names......i think benjamin was married befor coming out... and charles was the yougest boy born ...but still alive in 1941 as he was the informant on his sister inlaws death cert x

spiderlegs,

Did Charles have a middle name... possible Frederick if so I may have found him.

Vanessa

i know i just had a look....thank u i never thought that they had changed the name.....im excited now at last a start.....thanks vanessa :-D